Thought this was an interesting link inside of the GOP article I shared above.
Low-information voters really get engaged after Labor Day, and you got the power of TikTok. This is why you got to get rid of TikTok.
In the larger context here, Bannon is basically saying that Evangelicals are “our low-information voters” whereas TikTok users are “liberal low-information voters”, and we have to get rid of TikTok before it’s used to get people to vote.
I’m quite neutral on the entire TikTok debate. I won’t cry if it goes and I won’t be overjoyed if it stays. Bannon might be evil, but I don’t think he’s that stupid.
(I assumed he was a severe alcoholic because of how he looks and was going to say something about the impact to the brain, but turns out that was a biased assumption. He just looks that way.)
I consider it a problem that the people I bought the house from are obviously still registered to vote at that address a decade after they moved despite multiple phone calls and clear county records.
Even if they’re not voting illegally (which would be a HUGE problem) the BOE is wasting my tax dollars mailing out all this crap to people who will never receive it. That is a much smaller problem, but still a problem IMO.
I don’t know if there’s election fraud… there might be. I don’t know how they’d catch the former homeowners voting when they are still registered. There might be fraud. The BOE is certainly not lifting a finger to curb fraud in that manner, which is alarming. But maybe no one is voting twice… who knows?!?!
My point was that even if we could somehow know that there was 0 fraud occurring due to bloated voter rolls, it’s still bad policy that costs society.
I don’t follow. There are four voters actually registered at my address and there should only be two.
If all four of us vote at the precinct for the address we are all four registered to vote at, how are you imagining the BOE is going to catch that? And if they’d catch it for improperly cast ballots, why are they not catching it for improperly registered voters???
I have extremely low confidence that the BOE would catch this.
Oh, do you mean like if I try to vote in place of one of the previous owners? They might catch that. Maybe. More likely than my hypothetical anyway.
But if the previous owners show up to vote I don’t know how they’d determine that they’re not actually allowed to do so, given that they no longer live in the precinct.
My state requires you to provide an address, but I don’t know the verification process. I know if you’re homeless, you can simply give a crossroads near where you tend to reside.
If not registered within 14 days of the election you need proof like a utility bill, but homeless don’t.
Personal verification of addresses, including escorting to/from your home and 72 hour surveillance before/after to make sure you really live there and aren’t just showing up for appearances, or GTFO.
So it seems like someone could possibly vote twice, or in the wrong precinct, but it likely involves some understanding that they are doing this, and some underlying circumstance such as a recent move that produced a duplicate registration in their name for that person to take advantage of.
Sounds like a lot of effort for someone to go through in order to cast an extra vote in an election that is extremely unlikely to be decided by this extra vote, and to also risk the penalties and/or jail to do that.
I would not be surprised if there is an occasional vote by someone who recently moved that is cast in the wrong precinct. You could argue this is really important to avoid, and I might agree with that, but that’s not at all the typical arguments being made about this at the state/federal level. And systematic voter roll purges almost certainly cause issues on their own, even if you get over the idea they could easily be abused by modifying some “common sense” criteria for the purge.
The concern with voter roll purges is that the criteria used to trigger the purge are usually unintentionally (or sometimes intentionally) biased.
If you want to minimize bias, you could take the approach of purging the entire list every couple of years, requiring everybody to re-register. And even then, I could see someone arguing that there’d be a risk of bias due to different people having different capabilities to periodically re-register, as well as an increased risk of ineligible voters being registered in the periodic push to re-register…
Another concern is that people are not notified (simple notice to the address of the addressee) before they are purged (or are they?). “Just purge and make them re-register,” is the easy thing for registrars to do, and what the GOP prefers.
And the typical GOP phrasing of this proceeds like “It’s easy to re-register, it takes like 10 minutes online.”
Conveniently ignoring the person with no vehicle who, in my state, now has to walk anywhere from about 2-15 miles to get to the city clerk’s office because they didn’t know they were purged. Ignoring the person in a wheelchair who just rolled out of their modified van and waited an hour in line to learn they weren’t registered.
Of course the continuation is then “well if they cared, they should be checking, and if you don’t care you don’t get to vote.” Because the homeless person should have been confirming they weren’t purged at the local library beforehand.
(While I’m on my soapbox, throwing shade at states like Texas where student IDs are not valid photo ID for voting, but handgun licenses are.)
It should not be possible to call up a BOE and say that so-and-so no longer lives at an address so they should be removed from the voter rolls. If that were possible, it would be vulnerable to massive abuse and large scale attempts to disenfranchise voters.
So what’s the solution? Every person may vote at every precinct they have ever lived in at any point in their adult lives? Limited only by their ability to physically transport themselves to each precinct voting location at some point during the early voting period / Election Day?
In addition to me saying that they don’t live there, there’s also the fact that they sold the house to me 10 years ago which there is a record of, and they have proof that I do live there. They can’t take my word for it that the people I bought the house from ten years ago do not currently live in my house with me?
They also left a forwarding address with the USPS.
I think if you get voter materials delivered for someone who does not live at your residence, your “responsibility” is to simply cross it out and put “return to sender, not at this address”. It would be up to the election board who receives to returned mail to do whatever due diligence they require to verify and actually remove someone from the rolls.
“Hi, I’m Rastiln. I live in this precinct, and I’ll sign a piece of paper saying I’m telling the truth or I can go to prison. Alright I’m off to vote!”
IMO I don’t see the need to have your address pre-registered, or to have an address. (I can see voluntary pre-registration to set expectations for workers needed, reduce the number of at-the-poll affidavits required, etc.)