Looks like one of them is courting gay voters.
āMake America Floridaā is an amusing campaign slogan
Interesting polling here. Not surprising, but I think it shows Dems are in a precarious position in 2024 as liberal viewpoints are falling out of favor.
I guess the social media campaigns of right wingers blowing up cases of bud light and trashing target is working. Republicans won the war on abortion, so they have just moved on to distort the reality of the next issue that will bring people to the polls.
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It is very interesting. Even more interesting:
- Americans broadly agree that America is immoral, and becoming less moral.
- Americans have become more accepting, on average, on every single issue, from gay marriage to pornography to suicide to smoking pot.
And yet they also somehow increasingly identify with social conservatism.
I guess you might hypothesize that itās backlash etc. to our own acceptance, but itās pretty funny/crazy anyway.
In any case, looking at the numbers, it looks like the trick will be for conservatives to sell themselves as āconservativeā while not actually pushing back on any single issue.
Ie. Nobody wants a politician that is actually anti-abortion.
So āvery conservativeā will actually mean, ānot very liberalā?
I think part of this is that the issues have changed. For example I voted against Murphy in NJ when I mostly vote Democrat. Is it socially conservative to be against mandated masking of vaccinated kids in public schools?
I think the trouble is āliberal viewpointsā are increasingly illiberal.
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I think the trouble is that as extremists on the left and right gain mindshare in the US, both the left and right seem to be shifting more towards authoritarianism.
Of course on the masking front, I could point out that itās tempting to lean towards authoritarianism when so many people seem inclined to be myopic / insensitive towards others / unwilling to behave rationally because they donāt want to be inconvenienced in the short termā¦
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Iāve said before (not here, I think, but elsewhere) that people who have libertarian inclinations have a duty to behave rationally and to be mindful of effects of their decisions beyond just themselves. Failure to do so only invites the government to become more involved.
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I think the bar moved.
In 2023, people can identify as being āsocially conservativeā because they oppose āgender confirming careā for kids, or they think ftm trans shouldnāt compete in girls sports. But, they also accept same sex marriages.
10 years ago, accepting ss marriage (while ignoring trans issues) would have made you āliberalā.
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And 30 years ago, you were a social conservative if you didnāt approve of interracial marriage.
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What the polygamy.
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If you were given the survey would you identify yourself as āsocially conservativeā?
I donāt think that survey reflects this forum at all.
And has more to do with people getting excited about trans-politics? Which this forum either supports or doesnāt care much about. (with maybe Nick and Ranger being exceptions?)
I donāt care what any adult does. I do care about children getting the treatment and I definitely care about parents being excluded from their childrenās decisions about transgender care. No one under 18 is in a mental place to make these decisions about their life.
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Iām a bit confused. Who do you think should decide what:
Parents
Teens
Doctors
State/Federal/Local Government
And how they should decide?
And I donāt mean to argue. For me it qualifies as too rare and too harmless to worry about. But I am interested in your stance
If I was asked if Iām socially conservative Iād say no. But when I chat with my sister who recently graduated from a very liberal college they wouldnāt consider me particularly liberal. I certainly feel as socially liberal as I always have. Iād say Iām not especially progressive, but liberal.
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Probably need to be actively progressive, and not just sitting in our La-Z-Boys. You know: āIf youāre not doing something with us, then youāre against us!ā kind of BS.
Iām confused by your response. Do you think that there are currently kids who receive medication without their parents consent? Because that is illegal and Iām unaware of anyone advocating otherwise.
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I think this is a choice of treatment that permanently changes everything about the persons life. They need to choose this treatment themselves not have it put on them by a Dr, parent, psychiatrist or whatever. They canāt make that choice by themselves until they are 18.