Colorado it was super easy to get tubes tied for a woman - we almost did it as a double insurance after our last kid but decided to avoid the recovery time and hope just me getting snipped held up.
Itâs generally a lot easier for women who already have kids to get their tubes tied. Women who the doctor thinks have âtoo manyâ kids sometimes get pushed to do it. There are even cases Iâve heard of where the surgeon did it during a c-section without getting consent.
That may be the stated reason, yet for some reason those same hurdles do not exist for similarly invasive procedures.
The restrictions have always been around, and have always been around. Even when the procedure is being performed during a planned C-section. If it was not abiut controlling women, then there would be ZERO restrictions if performed during a C-section.
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Yes, for example, my friend requested a tubal ligation (begged for it) when she was having abdominal surgery nearby, explicitly because the marginal risk would be very low. Something the doctors didnât dispute. But she was in her 30s and didnât have any kids. So there was a ton of gatekeeping.
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Sounds like youâre talking about getting the procedure for a woman that already had a child(ren).
In my case, i was talking about not ever wanting to have a child. Added bonus⌠i had horrible side effects from birth control so stopped taking that and they still refused.
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Both sides have pretty strong agendas, and neither wants the other to be heard. Pity there isnât more middle ground where both the + and - can be shown side-by-side without people trying to harass each other. No doubt there are probably people who are glad they transitioned, and people who regret it. Iâm not here to even guess how many of each there are - or if there is even an unbiased way to find out.
Ok you can go back to attacking me and everything I say again.
Guessing how many there are is actually a great idea, itâs sort of the essence of science and medicine, not to mention actuary work.
One of the agendas is simply to be allowed to live a normal life, and the other involves erasing an entire category of people from society. You shouldnât âboth sidesâ this.
Also agree with SV that guessing at the numbers is an excellent path to becoming more informed on the issue. Have at it.
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The article I linked above stated that itâs only about 1% who regretted it, including those who detransitioned. Most who detransitioned didnât regret transitioning in the first place and the majority who detransitioned (temporarily pause or permanently) were due to external factors like family/societal pressures, not inherently driven.
Not having see the film, I cannot comment on it. Have you seen it?
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Of course there are both. And itâs incredibly important in understanding this issue to estimate approximately how many there are on each side. The best estimate Iâve seen are that about 1% regret it, and most of the rest are happy they transitioned.
But heroin and caffeine are both mind-altering addictive substances. We outlaw heroin and not caffeine because a large fraction of people who try it regret having done so, whereas very few people who try caffeine regret it.
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Well the side that âjust wants to live a normal lifeâ evidently doesnât want certain documentaries in movie theaters. Whoâs erasing who from society? I have not seen the film, I know nothing about it other than it was newsworthy.
I think? hopefully? we can agree that there are extremist propaganda films that just shouldnât be in movie theaters.
Maybe thatâs a different conversation? I wouldnât want AMC to sell a film that acted like Christianity is the worst thing you could possibly do to a teenager, even if it is very bad for some teenagers.
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Well, i just want to live my life, but there are certain Nazi propaganda films that Iâd try to keep out of theaters, too. I have no idea what is in this particular film. But i certainly understand why someone who just wants to be left alone might object to the screening of certain films.
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An article âfact-checkingâ the 1% value:
How are todayâs youth being impacted by transitioning genders into their teens and young adult years? The new original documentary âNO WAY BACK,â produced by lifelong California Democrats and LGBT activists, takes a non-religious, non-political, and non-ideological look on the subject of gender-affirmative medical practices, the risks and side effects of cross-sex hormones, surgeries, and the long-term health implications of gender medicalization. This ânuanced, compassionate, deeply researched and mild-manneredâ documentary features five young people discussing the medical care they received for gender dysphoria, and how they subsequently realized they were given the wrong treatment. Twelve experts in pediatrics, mental health, sociology and endocrinology with decades of clinical practice (including an Oxford professor) examine the pros and cons of the current practices. The goal of âNO WAY BACK,â which cites 45 academic medical studies and journalist articles, is to make a substantial contribution to the debate around medical transitioning for adolescents and young adults.
There is no consensus among all medical providers on how to treat identity disorders in the exploding new cohort of youth with no previous history of dysphoria. These patients have multiple mental co-morbidities (Autism, ADHD, PTSD, borderline personality disorder, adverse childhood experiences, sexual trauma). Instead of giving a differential diagnosis, or a holistic treatment plan, the doctors quickly prescribe wrong-sex hormones on the 1st appointment. The common theme was the slow realization that gender transition did not alleviate the depression, anxiety and mental illnesses the patients were struggling with all along.
âNO WAY BACKâ is a Winner or the Official Selection of 10 international film festivals (including Docs Without Borders, Berlin Indie Festival, and Beyond Hollywood International Film Festival). It will be released online and on DVD (July 2023) by Panacol Productions and Deplorable Films LLC, an international distribution company based in Los Angeles.
âI turned to professionals, doctors. I was not helped. Instead, I was ushered along, rather mindlessly, and I have permanent damage because of it.â Laura Becker, ex-patient.
So go with 4% in a large swedish study with good follow-up. That sounds like a reasonable number.
As clearly stated above, âchose to stop taking hormonesâ and even âchose to detransitionâ are not evidence of regret. Both of the people i mentioned would be counted in those numbers, and neither regretted what theyâd done, for instance.
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Iâm just going to say that a doctor who recommends hormones to someone who presents as PTSD and who says they only just realized they donât fit their assigned gender is not doing a good job for their patient. Not because i think doctors should be slow to prescribe hormones to patients who request them, but because i think itâs the job of doctors to help patients diagnose their ills.
Fwiw, i have met one person who suddenly decided they were the wrong gender after a trauma. (A trauma that ended up with them convicted of a sex crime, although they claim they were set up. Itâs complicated, i have no way of knowing the truth, and the details probably arenât relevant beyond "sexually charged trauma. ") They didnât immediately start taking hormones, despite living in a liberal jurisdiction where they probably could have. They did dress in female clothes.
While there are bad doctors out there, i think, âdoctors pushed me into taking hormones when i shouldnât haveâ is a pretty rare problem, and not one we need to legislate against any more than we legislate against doctors prescribing antibiotics to patients who turn out to have lung cancer.
You wrote all this above. And above, I pointed out that this is just a lie. It was produced by Trumpists.
They have produced 4 anti-Democrat propaganda films.
They might be perfectly fine, but it doesnât help that the tagline is a complete lie.
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Sounds like a similar movie: What Is a Woman? - Wikipedia
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How is not wanting a movie shown erasing anybody? This is a propaganda film intended to muddy the conversation. Why are you falling for this gambit? Itâs the same thing that has been done time and time again with every marginalized population. I canât believe we are going to have to re-litigate the civil rights movement every generation. Well, I can believe it; it just makes me sad.
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