The MAGAfication of the Republican party

Honestly, I don’t stand/take off hat/put hand on heart for the National Anthem or the Pledge of Allegiance. I will with my Marine FIL because I’m not intending to make a scene and it doesn’t harm me, but generally in my life I refuse to lie. Speaking the Pledge would be a lie, and standing for the Anthem is too associated with the Pledge and generally declaring one a supporter of the state.

The US is an alright country, with good and bad parts. I won’t pledge allegiance to it just because I was born there, despite being trained to say the words before knowing their meaning. I want the citizens to be well, and by extension I want the country to do well. If tomorrow it was announced that Canada would be annexing the United States I’d feel the same way about The United Canadian States (and hopefully the poutine scene would spread.)

The US isn’t perfect, I think it was described well as an experiment. But I think being born and growing up in the US is one of the luckier things that can happen to someone. Sure, you can quibble about wanting to live in Canada or something, but a whole lot of people rolled the dice and were born poor in Bangladesh.

I think America is a great place.


I won’t recite the pledge, salute the flag, or sing the anthem on religious grounds: I view such acts to be idolatry, or at best, a mis-ordering of priorities.

I do, however, stand during such observances, for much the same reason that I would stand/be respectful during an observance of a faith that I do not subscribe to: it’s polite, and if I wish others to politely respect my weird beliefs and practices, it’s only fair that I be similarly respectful of others’.

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That is another point I didn’t think to mention, but factors into my viewpoints. I will not pledge allegiance to a deity. Even when I kind of mouth along to it (like when with my Marine FIL), I can’t in good conscience speak the “Under God” portion when I don’t believe in one.

I know “Under God” was added long after the founding of the country. I’d have less objection if it wasn’t added.

Vance is a sitting Senator and a graduate of one of the top 3 law schools in the country.

About 1/6, Vance said yesterday:

“If I had been vice president, I would have told the states, like Pennsylvania, Georgia and so many others, that we needed to have multiple slates of electors and I think the U.S. Congress should have fought over it from there,” he continued. “That is the legitimate way to deal with an election that a lot of folks, including me, think had a lot of problems in 2020. I think that’s what we should have done.”

The Constitution makes no such provisions for this. There has been no confirmed evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 race, and the results were affirmed by local officials across the country, including many Republicans.

And on firing most government employees (which used to be allowed and was banned because it resulted in massive corruption and was generally deemed to be horrible to the country)

Stephanopoulos also asked Vance about a September 2021 podcast interview where he said that if Trump is reelected in 2024, he would advise the former president to “fire every single mid-level bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people” – and, if and when the courts tried to stop him, “stand before the country like Andrew Jackson did, and say, ‘The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.’”

“Fire everyone in the government, then defy the Supreme Court? You think it’s OK for the president to defy the Supreme Court?” Stephanopoulos asked.

Vance asserted that he “did not say fire everyone in government,” but Stephanopoulos pushed back, repeating that Vance said in the podcast Trump should replace “every civil servant in the administrative state.”

Vance, however, continued, arguing, “We have a major problem here with administrators and bureaucrats in the government who don’t respond to the elected branches. … If those people aren’t following the rules, then of course you’ve got to fire them, and of course, the president has to be able to run the government as he thinks he should. That’s the way the Constitution works.”

And on juries:

He sought to dismiss the findings of the New York juries, saying there are in “extremely left-wing jurisdictions” and contending that politics played a role in some of the accusations being brought.

“So juries in New York City are not legitimate when they find someone liable for … defamation and assault?” Stephanopoulos asked.

“Well, when the cases are funded by left-wing donors and when the case has absolute left-wing bias all over it, George, absolutely I think that we should call into question that particular conclusion,” Vance replied.

These positions are not compatible with a functioning democracy.

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I think he misunderstands what “aren’t following the rules” means. Because if someone not following rules means they should be fired, I think we have a good candidate for that. I think in his mind “aren’t following the rules” means “aren’t doing whatever the President tells them to”. Those aren’t the rules.

And it isn’t so much not a democracy as a democracy with rule of law, where the law has safeguards to protect the populace from the government. Perhaps that is a requisite of a functioning democracy, but I like to be explicit.

Guessing this is a generational/nurturing thing wherein as kids they were allowed to do whatever they wanted, and as such, they believe the rules to be whatever they want them to be.
In my day, we called them “Spoiled Brats.” It still applies.

Now, get off my lawn, you spoiled brat!!

Also, an unusual philosophy for a former Marine who took a vow “to support and defend the Constitution of the United States…” I guess he just cannot figure out who the domestic enemy is in this situation.

Arizona gonna Arizona:

A Senate panel voted Wednesday to provide a legal basis in law for any Arizonan to file suit against any level of government they contend is “furthering Marxist ideologies.’’

Most of it is usual dumb MAGA complaints

Peoria Republican Sen. Anthony Kern’s measure, SB 1195, would also bar spending taxpayer dollars to promote, advocate or plan to, among other examples, reduce motor vehicle traffic through biking or public transit, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, limit increases in global temperatures, reduce consumption of meat or dairy products, or anything “furthering Marxist ideologies including stakeholder capitalism.’’

But it includes WTF strawmen as well.

One provision says taxpayer dollars cannot be used for any efforts to limit the number of articles of clothing an individual may purchase or own. “That’s kind of out there to most of us,’’ Kern told the Senate Government Committee.

The panel also advanced a backup plan should Democratic Gov. Katie Hobbs veto the measure if it reaches her desk.

By the same 5-3 party-line vote Republicans also approved the identically worded SCR 1015. The only difference is that measure would send the proposal to the November ballot, bypassing the need for gubernatorial approval.

I kind of hope this makes it onto the ballot.

@snickelfritz is rolling in his compost bag.

So, in the lawsuit, who defines what is “Marxist”?

Also, this is just MAGA’s way of getting around “Congress shall make no law…”
Similar to suing people who have abortions.
“Nah, we’re just giving the authority to the people to sue their political enemies.”

Anything those radical communist, socialist, globalist, extremist Democrats want

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I guess that would exclude using taxes for public roads, and public utilities, and public schools.

That is a position that isn’t dramatically uncommon in some areas.

Extend it to things like police and fire departments as well. Some folks would prefer we go back to “sorry you didn’t pay the fire department fee, we’re going to watch your house burn.”

I was reading about the emigration of Californians to Idaho: these CA’s had the audacity to complain about how littered the town was, wanted to have the town hire people to clean it up. The reply was, “Pick it up yourself!”

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Trump’s takeover of the RNC is nigh.

Former President Donald Trump will support North Carolina GOP Chair Michael Whatley to succeed Ronna McDaniel as the leader of the Republican National Committee, according to a Republican operative familiar with Trump’s decision.

In addition to the Whatley nod, Trump will also support Lara Trump, the former president’s daughter-in-law, to serve as the RNC’s co-chairwoman. Lara Trump has long been an on-air surrogate for the ex-president, and during the 2022 campaign was briefly mentioned as a possible North Carolina Senate candidate.

The endorsement does not mean that either Whatley or Lara Trump will automatically be given those posts. The committee must hold a vote among its members should McDaniel step down, as she is expected to shortly after the South Carolina primary on Feb. 24. But that will likely be a formality, as the party members are almost certain to support the preferences of the candidate set to the presidential nominee.

Trump’s pick of Whatley was made, in part, because of the North Carolinians’ focus on one of the former president’s pet causes: baseless allegations of election fraud. Whatley has argued that elections are prone to fraud. He has also defended Trump over his involvement in the Jan. 6 Capitol siege, stressing that it was the rioters — not the then president — who were to blame.

Whatley also pushed to censure then Sen. Richard Burr for his decision to vote for Trump’s second impeachment.

Ukraine / Israel aid passed the Senate 70-29. Lots of people think it would get over 300 votes in the House. That is veto proof majorities in both chambers. Therefore Johnson is trying to stop the vote, because veto proof only applies to over riding a veto by the current President, not a veto by a former President.

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Originally put this in “Republicans Say” but as there was no attached quote, etc., deleted and moved here.

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I hate Tennessee Nazis.


(I actually responded in the Republicans Say thread as you were deleting it such that when my response hit, the post I was responding to had disappeared. Took me a bit to figure out where you moved it, haha!)

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It’s because of all that warm beer they drink.