That certainly seemed like his implication… and people on here have said very close to those words verbatim.
And to some extent maybe that comment is something of a straw that broke the camel’s back for me and I’m holding him accountable for a thousand similar intolerant comments from others in addition to that one and lumping them all together.
Nice double-down
Having appointed himself to sit in judgment of us all, of course.
Alright, I’ve said my piece and I am done responding to this thread for a bit. You can go back to calling my friends and relatives hypocrites and whatever else you want to call them.
Lose. You are on a White Sox level here.
We all judge others. Don’t think it is only Cory. And Cory’s judgment doesn’t mean shit.
So calm the fuck down, take your L ( you won’t, cuz twig) and move on.
To be clear, I don’t me all Christians of course. I just mean on average, I have found churches have as many assholes as everywhere else. But you probably do have more experience.
Conservative Christians are obligated to call out sin in others. If you hear “ectopic pregnancies have just as much right to life as the mother”, or “all sodomites should be stoned”, that shouldn’t be thought of as hatred of others. It’s just deeply held religious beliefs that indicate love for fellow man by calling out sin.
Liberal Christians should never call any other Christian out for any sin. That’s an exclusive granted to the religious right somewhere in 2 Corinthinians. Even general mention of something like “love they neighbor” should be interpreted as a veiled and hateful personal attack on true believers, and an explicit endorsement of sin.
God forbid a Muslim, Jew, or atheist ever call out any true believer for hypocrisy. That’s just hateful.
Dude, you are totally twiggered. If it helps make it clear how wrong you are, you are in line with Poly.
She isn’t wrong; it isn’t an L in any form or fashion. I have a good friend who has some really pithy and wise sayings. Among them, he likes to say he is the world’s foremost expert in what he likes. Twig clearly said this is how she hears it. The fact that you don’t hear it the same way doesn’t mean she doesn’t hear it the way she said she did.
The language in the quote is literally “don’t speak”. Saying “I won’t listen unless …” is different. Choosing that language for the tying of both actions, either speaking or doing, to the subject “you” is a literary or rhetorical device that requires a non-literal interpretation unless the person really means “you are prohibited from speaking”. I’d guess it was chosen to have a greater rhetorical impact than a milder injunction or caution.
There.
She doesn’t have room to put it on the wall because she’s got her Ingraham 22 jersey hanging up there, and that’s certainly not going on the ground or over on the side wall out of view of the cameras, so the American flag has to go on the next best place available and given the respect its due.
So you are eliding past how twig hears it and discussing how one might parse it. That’s fine, it is a pretty good quote for discussion.
If the prepositional phrase “to me” is necessary to understand the meaning of “don’t speak” then it adds additional importance to who the “me” is. US Senator? That not only violates our freedom of speech but also our right to petition the government. So again, clearly not literal. To me, the harshness of the first part of the quote is to draw attention to the importance of the second part.
Exaggeration to make a point is nothing new. From numerous biblical verses to “keep my wife’s name outta your mouth”.
I agree that both parts of each quote need to be taken together as an entire statement, and they are broken up for emphasis. I think the source of the conflict is that it seemed to many of us that Twig was only responding to the first “don’t talk to me” part, and ignoring the (much more important imo) part of acting to bring about positive change in the world. To me it seemed like she was strawmanning the whole thing.
I think you’re missing a key word in that second phrase. “First show me . . .”
I don’t think Cory Booker is making the statement of “Never talk about X” so much as saying to “don’t start there” when you’re trying to share your beliefs. I know that the remaining sentences seem to give the impression of “don’t speak” . . . but I think those are additional clarifications of the thesis sentence.
If by “others” you mean other members of your church (or even other known believers) . . . I would agree with you.
Not sure why you have to twist yourself into a veritable verbal pretzel to try to defend twig.
The text is really not that complicated.
So one of the things about communication is that it depends both on the speaker and the hearer. Not everyone hears the same words the same way. You’ve remained married for a while. Surely you know this on a personal level.
There is also a difference between saying “you shouldn’t hear it this way” and “the speaker probably meant something else” or “I heard it differently because…”
It would be great if we could get Twig and Booker into a room together and they could talk through it. I hear he’s single, you never know what might happen!
“We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it”
I did not know this gem until I saw the link in the above link: