The decision tree of Christianity is set of rule based returns that get you back to the main trunk which is to love God above all in order to get to heaven.
They have lots of right-wing religious evangelicals in Brazil who are also very vocal about their political views.
There are a lot of them in the south. They were all pro-Boslonaro.
No… it seems like an attack on pro-lifers and on people opposed to the use of birth control for religious reasons and on people who think that sex should be only between a husband and wife.
Really?
You don’t see a difference between talking to someone about their sin and literally killing them because of it?
I read those two passages as Jesus saying to stop associating with unrepentant sinners… not to kill them.
That seems like a pretty important difference.
And if I heard them I’d criticize them too.
Hmmm. I notice that you left Africa out of your list.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that Europe is less religious than the United States.
I don’t know as much about South America.
The quote you posted sounded quite nasty. If someone you’re close to sins in your eyes and they don’t agree with you, you’re supposed to drag in people to see something that already happened, so I’m not sure how they can witness it after the fact. If they still don’t repent or whatever, you’re supposed to tell everyone about it and then ostracize them.
Nothing in the quote suggests discussing it and why the sibling disagrees with it being a sin. No seeking counsel. Just gather witnesses and ostracize.
Take it up with Jesus. 
I’ll pass.
“Seems like” is what you made of it.
Note: GOP politicians have spent years translating Democrats statements into attacks on religion.
I think what everyone is asking you is what part of his statement is real vs feel.
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Twig I know it’s not your intention but you’re coming off like, only my side can quote the Bible.
I don’t see the controversy in this quote. This sounds a lot like Matthew 5 and 6 and 7, and a lot like sermons I’ve heard in church, and what I was raised to believe is the best way to minister to the world.
I don’t think this is apropos of nothing, either.
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Don’t speak to me about your religion; first show it to me in how you treat other people
This sentence is ambiguous. The point of it is that “what you consider good/sinful/etc. is implied by what you do.” But you could read it as don’t talk to me about God, until after you demonstrate that through treating people well.
Don’t tell me how much you love your God; show me in how much you love all her children. Don’t preach to me your passion for your faith; teach me through your compassion for your neighbors.
All of this is very clear. It is not about sin at all. How you could read any of it as about sin is mindboggling. Key words are: love, love, passion, compassion.
In the end, I’m not as interested in what you have to tell or sell as in how you choose to live and give.
This sentence goes back to being vague. Which I guess you could interpret as telling not to sin, but would mean ignoring the previous 2 sentences.
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Regardless Twig, I think it’s remarkable that you walked away with a message completely different from everyone else.
I guess we could might call that “dog-whistling”, depending on intent, etc.
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Yeah, and I’ve said several times that if it was directed at a congregation (and certainly if it was coming from clergy) that would be different.
But it comes across to me like a United States Senator is telling Americans how to practice the faith of their choosing.
While i don’t disagree there are rules, and i don’t disagree that we should love God above all else, i don’t agree with “the purpose of that is to get to heaven”. I think living according to those rules will bring happiness here to you and the people around you. Getting to heaven is, in a way, a side effect.
Do Christians do it well? That is a huge subject. And you are right in saying that when we do it poorly it impacts the receptiveness of others to Jesus. That is what I take the Cory Booker quote above to mean. I don’t think he is literally saying “you can’t speak about your religion”. I don’t think having a religious basis for what i believe to be right and wrong disqualifies me from speaking about it in the public square. That seems very contrary to American values. On the flip side, I shouldn’t expect “because God said so” to be of any value in a public discussion.
Eh, to me it’s in the subtext. The message that you’re not allowed to say abortion or homosexuality are wrong unless you meet a pie in the sky criteria that no human being could hope to meet. You can’t think it’s wrong to abort a single baby unless you’re willing to personally adopt millions of them yourself.
It just reeks of trying to silence the religious right.
I guess it depends on what your expectations. What you expect is to argue with atheists about abortion. What I expect is for Evangelicals to shout about “love”. “Jesus is Love”. “God is Love”. “Love in everything”. etc.
And I find in practice that Christians are not particularly loving. Christians don’t volunteer, give alms, try to understand, or make the world a better place, or anything. They don’t especially love their neighbors, or love their family, or love strangers. So it’s annoying that they shout about it so much.
Like if you can’t be bothered to be a good person in your own eyes, then fuck right off please.
So I guess you could take it about “sin”, but I just don’t see that word anywhere.
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Why are you laughing at that? I was going to go back and note an earlier comment you made, but since you did that for me:
So same words but different person, and its…different.
Do you have other explanations why your immediate reaction when those words came from a democrat was to be offended?
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