I’m for any innovative punishment to keep mass shooters at bay.
Like section 1115 waivers for Medicaid but for mass murders. We need to experiment and find ways to keep cost down and the number of mass shootings down
My view is that capital punishment (we are talking about death sentence, right?) is too light of a sentence. This is because most death sentences wind up as life in jail and in the event of an execution thedeath is too simple/easy/quick/painless (lethal injection vs slow hanging).
The reason I have come to this conclusion is that many mass shooters turn themselves in instead of killing themselves or getting clapped out by a swat team on the spot.
I think until 100% of mass shooters either turn the gun on themselves or go out banging with the cops the punishment that awaits them is too light.
Currently mass shootings get tons of media attention. Lots of young men in America getting crazy ideas after watching the shooters get off “easy”. I say we start releasing them without their hands (maybe even live stream them getting their hands cut off on IG or TikTok). Then follow them around for a week showing how they struggle to eat, get dressed, or wipe their own butts.
I know this is extremely cruel but these mass shootings have really gotten out of hand. Now that I have kids I am more worried about mass shootings then ever before.
I can’t find a source for that.
Every state has different costs so it’s hard to find a consolidated source across the US.
“A preliminary study by South Dakotans for Alternatives to the Death Penalty, examining first-degree murder cases since 1985 that have resulted in a death sentence or life in prison, found that on average, legal costs in death penalty cases exceeded those in the other cases by $353,105.”
There are a lot of other sources. However, this is talking about averages, so it’s possible a 16-year-old who lives to 90 would cost a lot more than a death sentence.
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Hmmm maybe the stat was the cost of a death sentence is equal to an additional 10 years in jail
I’m certainly with you on that, and I completely get where you’re coming from. Can’t dispute the creativity of the solution.
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The obvious way to reduce the number of mass shooters is stricter gun laws, but too many politicians are in the pockets of the NRA to make that happen. Also need to ramp up mental health, as of now we are woefully underinvested in that.
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Gun control and bring back asylums for the insane!!!
We’d need not only stricter gun laws, but to have fewer guns in circulation. I don’t think we can get there from here. But I agree that given the ease of accessing guns that can kill a lot of people quickly, we will continue to have mass shootings. A certain fraction of people are just broken that way.
Yes, there have been a ton of studies on the efficacy of punishment to change behavior, and the result is that the severity of the punishment barely matters, what matters is the certainty of it. Cameras on stop lights with a small ticket reduce running red lights a lot more than a draconian punishment if you happen to be caught.
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There are three purposes of the criminal justice system:
- to deter people from committing crimes
- to rehabilitate the perp
- retribution
The death penalty will prevent the convicted from every committing that crime again, but there’s no evidence it does boo to deter other people. As someone pointed out, it’s easy for a deranged teenager to romanticize execution. My guess is the reason so many DO kill themselves is that they prefer death to rotting in jail.
This is factually incorrect. A lot of lethal injections “fail”. The convict is paralyzed but in pain for a while, for example. Whereas a properly done hanging snaps the neck and kills instantly. (There were hanging failures, too, of course.)
Anyway, I oppose the death penalty, but I wouldn’t have wept if this guy had gotten it. I think it’s always wrong, but this is the least-bad type of death penalty.
I do t think it helps anything, but if most of the families want to kill this guy, that’s fine by me.
Kill 'em all. Let God sort 'em out.
For a state that allows death sentences, I was surprised they are not using it here. I’m not sure how they outweighed the blatant cold blooded murder with ‘mitigating factors’. Sounds like the defense was able to work over 1 or 2 jurors to prevent a unanimous decision.
What you will get is a cry that a disproportionate % of minorities will be impacted. What are recidivism rates for those who receive plea deals vs. those that do not?
This would result in significantly more people in jail, which (almost) nobody wants. I also would like stronger sentencing in aggregate. These are really not “jail problems” but rather societal problems that result in jail problems. Fixing societal problems requires some unpopular measures in the short-term that result in long-term gain. The current environment of low rational discourse stops discussion before it begins.
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How about we let everyone out on pot-related charges and stop putting people in jail for buying, selling or using pot. How much space would that free up for the rest of the criminals?
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Based on quick google search, 19 states legalized marijuana, while 27 more have partially or fully decriminalized it, so it’s not such a big problem.
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disagree. still federal charges exist for it. prior convictions for it still haunt people even for amounts that have been decriminalized broadly.
for someone who wants to consume it, not such a big problem. but the decision that it is or isn’t legal has f’d many people up.
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free drugs in jail
basically makes every sentence a death sentence (by your own free will)
also very humane imo
also an insanely good solution to overcrowding
Did they release people convicted during the era while it was still illegal?
I recall when people were talking about how hard it is to get lethal injection drugs and whether / how much people suffer… I recall asking “why not just let people OD on heroin?” That seems humane to me if the decision has been made that they are going to be put to death and we’re just talking about the best way to do it.
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yup. If i was on death row, i would totally take the offer of free drugs and rub myself out my way
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The two most popular ways to hang someone are with a short drop or long drop. A slow hang employs a short drop to ensure a nice slow death, which is the method I endorse.