Do you have to have a Twitter account to respond?
I’m gonna guess 85+, but I really have no idea. Just thinking of vision issues and being more likely to succumb to injuries from which a 20-24 year old would recover.
I do not.
I have no need.
Perhaps some could explain to the point of it.
I meant “you” in the general sense, as in “is it required to have a Twitter account to respond”. Not “do you, DTNF, personally need (have?) one”.
I looked at the tweet and couldn’t figure out how to respond to the poll. Like you, I am not sure why I need a Twitter account.
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Beer cheer!
Alas, you needed a twitter account to vote in the polls, afaik
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Motor Vehicle Accident Deaths, Part 2: Age-Related Trends with Provisional Results in 2021
There ya go
that’s per 100K people
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Well looky there; I was right! Guess working in Life for a double digit number of years is helpful. I will continue to describe my job as “counting dead people”.
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:squintyeyes: um…don’t the 20-24 yo’s have the highest rate of motor vehicle deaths in 2020? …or am I misunderstanding either your Campbell’s posts?
Anyway, from the wsj:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/car-crash-deaths-have-risen-since-covid-19-pandemic-started-11646263416?mod=hp_lead_pos12
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Car Crash Deaths Have Risen Since Covid-19 Pandemic Started
Traffic-related fatalities rose 6.8% in 2020, according to final federal data. Projections for 2021 show the trend continuing
The car-crash fatality rate rose sharply in 2021, hitting its highest level in nearly 15 years, according to National Highway Safety Administration data.
Photo: Hyosub Shin/Atlanta Journal-Constitution/AP
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March 2, 2022 6:23 pm ET
Car crashes killed 38,824 people around the U.S. in 2020, according to final data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Fewer people were on the roads in the early months of the Covid-19 pandemic, leading to fewer crashes overall in 2020. But the fatality rate of those incidents increased to the highest level since 2007, with the rate of deaths for every 100 million miles traveled by vehicle rising by 21%, according to an NHTSA report released Wednesday.
And that trend looks likely to continue. NHTSA projections for 2021, released in February, showed the fastest increase in car fatalities in nearly half a century. The projections indicated that 31,720 people died in vehicle crashes over the first nine months of 2021, compared with 28,325 fatalities over the same period in 2020.
NHTSA’s final data is the first look researchers have to examine why traffic fatalities have increased, said Ken Kolosh, the statistics manager at the National Safety Council, a nonprofit that works to eliminate causes of preventable death.
Although the number of vehicles driving and the number of crashes decreased during the pandemic, fatalities are up, the result of drivers behaving more recklessly behind the wheel, experts say.
Photo: Albert Cesare/The Cincinnati Enquirer/AP
Wednesday’s report says the number of fatalities in crashes involving drunken drivers, speeding or unbuckled seat belts all increased in 2020.
Pam Fischer, senior director of external engagement for the Governors Highway Safety Association, said she and her colleagues call them “the big three: belts, booze and speed.”
“Everybody is in this, and we have to get the public to understand what is happening out there, and to really change our culture in this country,” Ms. Fischer said.
Although the number of crashes, injuries and miles traveled decreased, fatalities increased by 6.8% in 2020 from a year earlier. Ms. Fischer attributes the numbers to drivers being more reckless on roads with fewer vehicles.
In 45% of fatal crashes, drivers were speeding, intoxicated or not wearing a seat belt, the NHTSA report said.
“The choices we make every day in that transportation system absolutely have a ripple effect,” Ms. Fisher said. “I can’t control what the other guy is doing, so that’s going to increase my chances of risk.”
Pedestrian fatalities also increased by 3.9%, reaching their highest number since 1989, according to the NHTSA. Bicyclist fatalities increased by 9.2%, their highest number since 1987.
Write to Camille Furst at camille.furst@wsj.com
Campbell’s question was which group was highest in 2019, which was 85+.
She was specifically asking about pre-Covid.
It’s not remotely surprising that 85+ had fewer accidents post-Covid since they were the ones most likely to shelter in place.
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She asked 2 questions: 2019 & 2020.
Oh did she? I only saw the 2019 question! 
I should just avoid Twitter. I’m obviously too old for this platform.
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https://twitter.com/meepbobeep/status/1498626437280149505?t=6Kno5R16q593QdR1fwjRng&s=19
https://twitter.com/meepbobeep/status/1498626582277144581?t=ji-nLilpskYlofcBwEpZ3Q&s=19
The one she linked in this thread was the 2020 tweet.
Well, now I know why one poll had two fewer votes than the other…
but yes, there are two different years, and that was one of the key stories, too.
Because, it wasn’t just about number of miles driven. There actually were fewer miles driven, collectively, in 2020.
It turns out that the old people stayed home (thank goodness). Old people generally drive fewer miles, but tend to be deadlier in general, due to their physical/mental problems. They are frailer, so everything else being equal, they’d be more likely to die from a crash. They cause crashes in certain ways because they are just less able to drive. The speed disparities between them and surrounding traffic causes all sorts of trouble.
However, removing the slow drivers also meant the speeders had more room to speed.
The one interesting thing I found in fatal crash stats was that there were fewer semi truck crashes in 2020 than 2019. I hadn’t been expecting that one, so that was interesting.
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Pre-pandemic, post-pandemic or both?
I would think that professional drivers would be less likely to crash as they could get in big trouble for driving drunk or stoned, and they are working, not driving the semi home from a big party or frantically trying to put on makeup or shave or turn around and tell the kids in the back seat to shush. Plus they have strict rest requirements. I believe that distracted driving and tired driving are both even worse than drunk driving in terms of being causal factors in accidents.
So they have a bunch of built-in advantages over a randomly selected car-driver.
I just clarified in prior post – fewer in 2020 compared to 2019. Not sure why. It was only 3% less, but still.
A lot of drivers quit in 2020. That could be a cause of fewer fatal crashes of Semi’s.
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