I don’t know. It’s all relative I guess. But speaking as someone who has not always been an actuary, traveling a couple states is cheaper than a lot of other things.
It’s a lot if you’re a homeless person or a teenager with no resources. But everything is a lot then.
Also… Right now, it’s pretty easy to get abortion pills cheaply by mail. Most people don’t realize that, but they probably will soon? I don’t know if that will last though.
those will probably be illegal too
Probably. But they might not be able to stop people from actually getting pills.
Yes, but illegality does stop people from trying to get pills if they’re law abiding. I agree it doesn’t stop desperate people. And I bet there are gonna be a lot of black market pills
I am going to go with that you don’t understand what an HSA is.
Okay, moving on.
Not to shade twig, but she has a tendency to overexplain stuff that has little relevance to the original discussion. It’s worse when she’s wrong on something.
Not to shade twig, but twig shaded.
No offense!!!
I don’t think she is wrong. The smoke and mirrors she described probably happened to most when they switched to a HDHP. You were paying $X in premium for a PPO with little deductible, now you have a HDHP where HSA contribution + lower premium = $X.
Now in the latter case you pay for a delivery and we say your out of pocket has dramatically increased because it came out of your HSA, but we’ve ignored the drop in premium, so it’s just an accounting trick.
Most smart people with options go with the HMO option during expected expectancy years.
Pay a little more in premium, pay a lot less in pre-natal/delivery.
I’ve only had the choice of varying HDHPs unless I wanted a PPO since ~2014, so when I knew we were going to have a kid I’d choose the more generous plan, but it was still a HDHP.
And a PPO never made economic sense (since ~2014).
Idk. For a long time I was in the “except for rape or incest” camp. My reasoning was that I thought birth control wasn’t that hard to obtain (so abortion shouldn’t be a form of bc) but also that rape/incest are horrific and I didn’t want to force someone who had experienced such trauma to have to continue to experience it by carrying an unwanted child.
I’m less certain on a lot of things these days, but that’s what I used to think and it was based on personal beliefs, not politics.
that sounds like you want to punish women for having sex and messing up.
i really doubt anyone views abortion as a form of birth control. they could do something stupid to get pregnant, but nobody wants to get an abortion. it sounds like at least a somewhat invasive procedure.
In all my years, it hasn’t made sense, when there is a choice.
When there is a choice, sicker people, who utilize more, want the best possible care, and that often costs a lot more, so the premiums are higher, creating a spiral. That’s caused mainly large businesses wanting choice.
I mean, that’s probably what I thought at the time. Have sex…take responsibility.
I now recognize that life is not that simple, that I have had privilege that many could not even imagine (and I don’t mean financial), and that there is a lot I don’t know.
But I used to be a lot smarter than I am now. 
I wish this whole mess hadn’t come up again. But I believe that Alito’s reasoning is quite probably correct from a legal standpoint. His point that Roe and Casey have not settled the issue and have in fact made it worse for the country is basically indisputable. This does belong at the state law level in our system. That will allow for a contentious discussion and eventually a legal consensus to be reached by voters and their representatives.
That said I am in favor of the availability of abortion procedures. People make mistakes and this is one (highly unfortunate) way to correct a mistaken pregnancy. I do understand that some people honestly believe that life starts at conception and abortion is murder. I can’t agree. That plus the costs of unwanted childbirth and, worse, people raising unwanted children, is just too high. I guess put me in the safe, legal, and rare camp.
Lets say you live in Houston TX, the nearest state likely to still have legal abortion access is probably New Mexico. Lets go best case scenario and assume a clinic is build on the NM side of greater El Paso. That’s a 12 hour drive across 760 miles. Assuming 25 mpg it will take 61 gallons of gas to make the trip. At $4/gal thats $244. That hardly seems cheap and easy. It also involves traveling without stopping at a motel to sleep and ignores the costs of food while traveling.
Getting pills is risky. You can still end up facing a death penalty charge for taking the pills illegally.
I know for a fact these people exist. However, they are EXTREMELY rare and not worth much considering in this discussion.
It’s completely disputable. Allowing the women in our country to have access to basic reproductive rights really isn’t something that has made our country worse.
Then our system is bad.
How? Even if one side passes a law the other will keep fighting to pass a law negating that law.
So, you think we should keep the status quo, plus increase sexual education to include better education on preventative measures while also providing free access to those measures?
Eh, carpool. Or Prius.
Checked Greyhound. Round-trip is about the same as that.
If God-forbid, you’re in Houston, catch an airplane.