Added for accuracy.
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I could see that. I just don’t think that’s a healthy way of looking at such things. 
I’ve never been a fan of being glad that someone’s dead, or wishing that someone would croak, etc., since someone else could be wishing that about me – and who’s to say that my wish should be granted and theirs not?
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Black Lives Matter bought a mansion, in part, with the money I gave them. I don’t exempt myself when I call out Americans, here.
I don’t really feel the need to bend over backwards to “understand” the righteous outrage of murder cheerleaders on this one. They will pick up some other issue in a few weeks and the people interested in the details will dictate where we go from here.
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The maker of the shooter’s backpack is receiving threats.
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What about the hoodie maker? Blame ANYONE but the shooter IMO.
/s
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United, Cigna and CVS healthcare have dropped 15-20% in stock price since the shooting. Humana is down 8%.
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This, from Elizabeth Warren,
“Violence is never the answer, but people can be pushed only so far. This is a warning that if you push people hard enough, they lose faith in the ability of their government to make change, lose faith in the ability of the people who are providing the health care to make change, and start to take matters into their own hands in ways that will ultimately be a threat to everyone,”
Has aged horrendously. I voted for Warren in the 2020 primaries and I really like her. But this was so dumb to say and she should be ashamed. This is the same thing as when people publicly, and pretty obviously, are cheering for a mass shooter to either be white, or Islamic or something. She was super eager for this to be about the thing that would politically advantageous for her, but it’s not.
25 million people lack health insurance in this country. That is horrible. By my count though, none of them have yet executed a father of two because, “United’s market cap is really big, I don’t really know. I’m not an expert and I don’t have time to explain.”
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I don’t really see her quote as excusing the actions of the killer. I think what alarms people - and should - is not that some guy snapped and did this thing, but that so many people are proudly supporting him in his violence. We have to take a look at why so many people are feeling this way. Something HAS to change, or we are looking at class warfare.
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Brilliant
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She seems to be indicating that the killer was pushed hard enough that he lost the faith in the ability of the government and care providers to make change.
Is there any evidence of any of that?
Sure, I think you could read it that way, but I take it to mean that the whole pro-Luigi meme culture that has exploded is indicative of people who have been pushed too far and are in favor of taking matters into their own hands. We have a systemic problem here, not a lone wolf one.
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Are you saying we are going to look back and say he was first against the wall when the revolution came?
I think that’s possible, but it is pretty charitable to Warren.
What I’m finding hard to reconcile, is just how serious this outrage is, in light of the fact that Republicans just got a trifecta in Federal government. Inflation and immigration, not healthcare, were overwhelmingly the topics people were talking about.
We could add probably close to 3 million people to government run healthcare if just Texas and Florida signed on for Medicaid expansion. Beto O’Rourke ran on expanding Medicaid in the 2022 Texas gubernatorial election and got beat pretty handily. Florida might get expansion on the ballot in 2026, but we’ll see.
So are people boiling over with righteous anger over the state of healthcare, or they just bored, generally malcontent, and extremely online? Likely a bit of both, but a bet on the latter has been a good bet for about 15 years now.
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Trying to make sense of the disconnect between folks outrage at the system and voting Republican is just going to make your head spin.
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I’m not trying to make sense of it as much as I’m pointing to it as evidence that maybe hitching your policy ambitions to the idea that a murderer and/or his supporters was/are acting rationally is a bad idea.
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Moore’s entire career is based on perpetual outrage. I understand it. I hate school shootings and lack of access to healthcare, too. But what’s the path forward, Mike?
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Eh. “Anger” is just an emotion. Murder is an action. Why do people not understand the difference?
Also, he is condemning the whole healthcare industry, not just the insurers, most of whom (maybe not Kaiser) have little to do with providing care.
Insurers do, unfortunately, sometimes not authorize their payment for care.
They do, unfortunately, limit care where healthcare providers are known to try to steal from insurers.
They do, for their own survival, try to exclude pre-existing conditions since they are not, technically speaking, an insurable event, cuz insurance companies.
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I agree. People loud online is partly how we keep being so surprised Trump wins elections. Most people are quite content, thank you very much, and elect people they think are less inclined to change things.
Beto is an amazing example of how little people actually care about expanding health insurance in the US.
And every reasonable discussion I’ve had with people upset about the ACA is that things didn’t get cheaper. The point of the ACA wasn’t to make things cheaper, it was to insure all these people not insured, but people don’t actually want that. That’s why Medicare and SS have never been means tested.
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