Name or describe one person who would be moved by such a document. That is, someone who currently believes that the election was stolen from Trump but who would be convinced it wasn’t if this document existed. Someone who wasn’t convinced by the speeches of McConnell, Toomey, Graham, and Romney, but would if only you added Pelosi and Schumer’s names to the list.
Maybe a little - but not much. Having a unified front in this would be nice. Granted - it’s the Republicans that would have to give to achieve that unity. Sure, we know where the Dems stand, but get a unified message out there.
It seems like most of the time calls for unity can be translated as”give the Republicans what they want”. It would be really nice for both parties to get together on this obvious statement.
Oh, you’re hoping to get them on board first?
Do we have a :pigsfly: emoji? We need one!
See the earlier post. The people are those who has been listening to the claims of voter fraud and learn that their very conservative, pro-Trump House member, and their very conservative Senator, said “upon further review, it turns out that the allegations were misunderstandings or lies”.
No, Pelosi signing isn’t going to change R minds about the facts. Both Ds and Rs signing the same thing says we are serious about unity.
Mike Pence agreed with Democrats and said that he didnt have the authority to overturn the election. Remind me, did the deplorables take that as a wake-up call to start seriously considering unity? Or did they literally build a gallows to lynch him from?
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Brainwashing takes time and effort to deprogram. You have to start somewhere, though.
I’d start with ECT myself, but failing that, a strongly-worded letter is also pretty good, I guess.
You skip over the main issues as if important. Those students whose home lives leads them to be disinterested in education. If you don’t do anything about their home lives, any improvement in their education access will have little to no impact.
I think you will find that there are a significant proportion of Trump supporters with “better” education than you think there are.
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Hannity complaining about Katie Couric using this term seems to have proliferated right wing media over night, it is already a lost cause.
The “deplorables” had a back up. “This shows Ted Cruz is one of us.”
Yes, we will always have some crazies. That doesn’t mean we can’t separate the people with some attachment to facts from those who just love the conspiracy theory lifestyle.
I think this is driving so much of the problems in the United States right now. We have a massive amount of people in the US who are psychologically incapable of personal growth due to their situation at home during their childhood. I live in a poor area and our church serves a lot of poor youth. The parenting in these homes is $hit. Drug abuse, verbal abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, neglect, etc. You name it and it’s going on. It’s extremely difficult to become productive, rational, thoughtful, etc when you all you know is dysfunction. The United States is quickly becoming a country where dysfunction in the home is the majority of homes instead of the minority. Based on the discussions here and elsewhere among the educated working class I don’t think this problem is understood. The extent of this problem would be shocking to many.
Shoot I can tell even among the very well off on this board there are several who are not having their love and belonging needs met.
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It’s not just childhood dysfunction it is elderly as well. Humans are social animals. Isolation from family or regular social groups means we seek out other replacement social groups.
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Yep, my comment supercedes the forced isolation seniors have been undergoing for almost a year now. My sister has been incredibly critical of me for our church having in person meetings. I understand where she and probably many here are coming from, but I have forced our main pastor to enforce safety standards to make it as safe as possible. Also being involved in these families lives most of them desperately need the social interaction and normalcy these 2 or 3 hours a week provide. It’s also been a good way to keep tabs on everyone. Some people are fraying at their edges. Our countries mental health is as bad as it has been in several decades right now IMO and that is only about 1/3 due to the political situation.
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This. SO much this. Everyone knows that some fraud happened. Saying that none happened is a provable lie which detracts from the actual point that not enough fraud happened to change the results.
Concerns about mail-in-voting are valid. That type of voting is MUCH more susceptible to fraud. Really just take a little time to think about it and do some research. A number of countries simply don’t allow it for citizens who reside inside the country.
As far as requiring ID goes. Mexico manages to have universal voter ID. You telling me the USA can’t? It’s not that hard and not that expense if handled well.
Several states have had all mail in voting for sometime now. I’m not aware of any studies that show a higher rate of election fraud with mail in ballots than in person ballots.
I think the trouble is this is the core of the argument against mail in voting “take a little time to think about it” with pretty nefarious assumptions. In practice the cost benefit just never makes sense, which is why when actual studies are done on the rate of fraud it’s a joke. It’s hard enough to convince people to vote at all, let alone some grand scheme of people managing to fake the voter rolls to get not only their own vote in but also their dead grandmother’s, cause that’ll really be what gets Biden elected.
But alas you get enough people in suits saying “well maybe!?” and people storm the Capitol.
This is the main argument I try to make to conspiracy loving Trumpkins. They’re really assuming a high degree of coordination for this to be true. In my experience human beings just aren’t all that easy to organize and human beings are especially hard to keep quiet. The fact that their theories would take millions of people being highly coordinated in their actions and all of them to keep super quiet is just so unlikely that I couldn’t even imagine it being true.
It’s made harder here because voting and sufferage are on a state by state basis. There is no such thing as a national voting register. Please outline your easy plan.
In fact, the different rules by state are at the heart of the electoral college. WHen forming, the only national election was president (and VP). But each state/colony had different rules on who got a vote. New York had a wealth hurdle. New Jersey allowed women to vote. Massachusetts let the half white offspring of Native Americans vote. Since no state could force other states to limit sufferage, it was apparent that simply counting ballots wouldn’t work. Had to reduce the popular vote back to a state vote.
So Dan… how do you propose to get the constitution amended to go to sufferage at a national level? And make no mistake, I am all for it, including getting rid of the electoral college. The idea that we cannot verify ID in this age is plain silly. For cryin out loud, even my phone knows it’s my thumb print.
I’ve actually become less critical of the electoral college and state-level voting laws through this whole let’s run an earthquake simulation on the US democratic system we’ve been going through.
I’m definitely critical that the electoral college gives disproportionate weight to land, although it’s not as bad as the Senate. If we could get the weights fixed I’d be all for leaving the electoral college and state law as a bulwark against some federal-level tyrant.
Honestly I think the greatest idea in the Constitution is the idea of federalism. Some of the more notable things preventing DJT from becoming more tyrannical are because of it.
Yes there is voter fraud, a few hundred individual cases a year. Is that what the talking heads or politicians are referring to? Those few cases with out any evidence that any of those cases effected an election outcome? I find that unlikely when they promote phrases like Stop the Steal. Now voter suppression effects hundreds if not thousands of times more votes and does effect election results. That’s a problem worth discussing.