Hypocrisy of US politicians toward a separation of Church and State

No, no it would not be normal.

In any other country this.would be treated as insanity, because it is. In the us however , everyone thinks its quite normal.

Its not normal. Its effin bizarre.

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It is quite normal for American Christians to do this. You might consider being more tolerant of religions other than your own rather than calling them “effin bizarre”.

In fact I’ve done this outside of the United States as well, so it’s not really unique to the U.S.

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Are you referring to the laying of hands part? Thats very mainstream and done globally in many Christian denominations, including non-evangelicals.

If you’re interpreting the image as worshiping of Trump, that’s not what’s happening (in this specific image, not at large), but the level to which he is put on a pedestal by the religious right is outrageous, I agree, and I hope other countries don’t view their leaders in the same way.

Here’s one of Obama being prayed over as well.

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Is it “effing bizarre” when Obama did the exact same thing or is it only Trump that you are critical of?

I would bet a lot that they aren’t the only two. W was pretty religious and I believe Carter was too.

Why so defensive? It’s absurd when you do it privately, but nobody cares.

It’s a problem when your leaders are doing it publicly as.part.of there persona. It’s pretty much the entire point here that you’re distracting from that single point.

Youre American, you tell me if it’s a problem when Obama.did it, or just with trump.

I think she’s defensive because you’re coming out rudely attacking a religion’s practice. I don’t understand where your tone is coming from, but you seem pretty hostile honestly.

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Neither. It’s not a problem at all. When anyone does it.

There’s plenty about Trump to criticize, but this ain’t it.

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Yeah it’s becoming clear that your president does this type of thing, and Americans in general are a-ok with it, they get offended when it’s pointed out as absurd. Apparently you folks can’t even get to grasping just how bad that picture is,.and won’t even consider that maybe it’s a big problem.

Instead you want to have a conversation about how personally because :it’s muh religion’ somehow that can’t be criticized. .well, it can be, particularly when it’s your president doing it.

To summarize:

  • it’s absurd behavior, but go ahead.
  • your religion is not a get out of jail free card for being called out on ridiculous behavior.
    • your president is doing it and apparently publicizing it. That’s 100x the problem here, and you folks are blind to it.
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I’ve.stated repeatedly and explicitly that the problem is your leader doing publicly and promoting it.

And it’s becoming very clear that Americans are entirely blind to why people might consider that a problem. Like neither you nor twig will barely even recognize that the problem is trump doing it, the responses keep circling back to somehow I’m attacking religion.

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Just… stop. Please. If you don’t understand something maybe stop criticizing. Especially when the thing that you’re criticizing is someone else’s religion.


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I understand whats going on perfectly well. Even before you posted pictures.

Fortunately im canadian and we still maintain a level of freedom. I can call out absurd behavior, even if you dont like it. In the US, that level of freedom is starting to go missing. Critisize your leader, and look at what happens. You bring out religion as a justification to stifle even comments

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And this is why I don’t moderate forums.

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I think the problem is the church/state fiction we have always maintained. You guys seem fine with that line being blurred or erased. It’s not ok with me, but until recently I didn’t worry that it would be weaponized against me.

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And this isnt reddit, suckas. You cant downvote the truth here!!!

I don’t see Presidents participating in a religion as no longer having separation of church and state. Every President to date has had a religious affiliation, and every recent president has included participation in various religious traditions in their public communication.

I DO have a problem with a President openly favoring a religion or pushing for legislation that favors a religious practice at the detriment of others - and I would say that Trump absolutely is doing that - but that isn’t what this photo is. And criticizing the practice itself as bizarre is offensive. You can be critical of Trump (and I am, as much as or more than anyone here) without criticizing every thing he participates in.

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I’m not saying don’t do the thing, just that the administration shouldn’t be publicizing it. It’s absolutely favoring one religion over another, and it’s frightening to those who don’t follow that particular flavor of religion.

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And criticizing the practice itself as bizarre is offensive.

So.what?

‘Im offended’ isnt a reasonable rational response to anything, particularly with political leaders.

The fact that it gets used to shut down dissent is a good example of the problem.

Preach

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I mean… it goes against your Terms Of Service. But I guess that rule only applies to the rest of us, not to you.

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