Have we rounded the corner for the final time?

She specifically said the risk was lower for me since I am vaxed.

Even so, for over a year we were told that people were very unlikely to get Covid twice. That seems to be changing. I haven’t seen any updated studies tho.

ETA: She did not comment on “how sick” these people were. (Sick enough to go to the dr but I went for some minor symptoms too bc my deductible was met & I thought there was an off chance that I had a bacterial infection.)

I couldn’t make heads or tails of that Kentucky study. HOW likely is a person who has had Covid to be reinfected? All I got was that reinfected & vaxed is better than reinfected and non vaxed.

If I’m reinfected, or if a family member is, we still have to quarantine & be aware that we could spread it. I can work from home with a very mild case (altho it would have to be more mild than my vax side effects). Mr aj cannot drive his school bus from home. And of course, he is way more likely to be exposed than I am.

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Except every study that has actually compared them shows that recovered ≈ 2 jabs (maybe better)

That Kentucky study is garbage. The methodology is sus imo, reeks of cherry picking, and the CDC has not earned the benefit of the doubt.

The methodology is bog-standard, and it’s not a question of trusting “the CDC” but of the researchers who authored the paper.

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I’m sure different states have different restrictions, but I can barely think of anything different from “normal” anymore. Canadians can only enter the US by air, or on essential business. I’m sure some countries are still not allowing US citizens (haven’t ever cared since I’m not travelling.) I am wearing a mask indoors, but I’m not required to. Large gatherings, concerts, etc. are happening now. What’s non-normal anymore? Other than rising infections of course.

I’m avoiding large gatherings.
My in person hobby gatherings are mostly on hold. I admit I’ve enjoyed joining some UK friends over zoom at some events they used to hold in a pub, but not as much as I’ve missed being able to attend similar events myself, locally.

I guess your large gatherings are happening, so your lives experience is different from mine. But i wouldn’t be comfortable attending, anyway, so that’s pretty “not normal”, even if it’s not a mandated thing.

Also, normal for me involves a lot of travel. :cry:

I’m attending my first large gathering soon and I’m a bit nervous about it, but I’m not disallowed to do so, and it sounds like you aren’t as well. And since I’m WFH and otherwise personally locked-down, I pose no risk of infecting others if I am infected.

Just saying that complaints that we aren’t back to normal are due to individual choices, not anything like a lockdown or mandate (may be state-dependent.)

(I guess we ostensibly have a mask mandate for the unvaccinated. Lol. Like they care.)

I’m all for bashing the CDC but doing it at 4am (EDT) is next level

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Normal imo is when you can have actual covid and continue on with life as usual. Or at least the same as usual with any other cold virus.

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Feels like we are about 50/50 here. There are no restrictions on large gatherings, no mask requirements anywhere, etc.

That said I am masking up, skipping the rodeo tomorrow night (outdoors but likely crowded), and planning to stock up on groceries again in case we get quarantined.

My daughter was just placed on an immunosuppressant drug, so we have decided for her to limit her outings to less crowded times, as much as possible.

Schools in many places. Childhoods. :anxious_face_with_sweat:

Why? Some of us have been awake for a couple hours at that point

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I’m not familiar with this term. Sounds swampy.

Google says:

It means to be basic, to be ordinary, to be unexceptional, to be uninspired - it just means ordinary. If you say something is ‘bog standard’, you mean it is perfectly ordinary . “He’s got a bog standard car” means a perfectly ordinary car.

But that is from a UK site so not surprised you and I hadn’t heard it.

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Hmm. I read UK literature and chat online with Brits. I guess i picked that up. Sorry.

The first company I worked for had been bought by a British insurance conglomerate and had sent an English chap over to be Chief Actuary. I pirated a copy of WordStar, iirc, from him as my first wordprocessor. The spell check was constantly telling me my words were misspelled. I was and still am a horrible speller but for quite a while, I thought I was spelling words correctly, but when I got to a new job everyone asked my why I spelt like a Brit?

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I agree that the “case-control matching” approach to match controls to ‘treatment’ subjects is completely normal in prospective studies, but in a retrospective observational study I have not seen it.

It strikes me as poor form to use the response variable (reinfection) in that matching process rather than the treatment variable (vaccination).

I still say the downsampling (or upsampling, I suppose, depending on the case characteristics) smacks of cherry picking, especially since (IIRC) the study doesn’t give information on the full population from which those “controls” were drawn nor the sampling methodology. It does not appear that they did any sort of ‘bootstrapping’ (repeated samples) to sensitivity test their results. (But I’m also going on memory after reading the study last week, so I might be wrong)

On top of the methodology issues, there could be confounders in the data - namely, in many places vaccinated people are subject to less asymptomatic testing, so that might lead to fewer reported “infections” in that population. There’s no data here about the severity of the reinfections. If they’re just mild or asymptomatic PCR+ tests, should we care?(that goes for jabbed & unjabbed alike)

At least the authors are honest about this:

Of course, that doesn’t stop media outlets or folx like non-DrT from inferring causation & running with it.

Not peer-reviewed ('cause it’s hard without detailed tracing):

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02259-2

As a result, 74% of infections with Delta took place during the presymptomatic phase — a higher proportion than for previous variants. This high rate “helps explain how this variant has been able to outpace both the wild-type virus and other variants to become the dominant strain worldwide”, says Barnaby Young, an infectious-disease clinician at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases in Singapore.

@Marcie - has your twitter feed documented the prior instances where RSV and other non-COVID related illnesses prompted a major US city to ask its residents to reduce water usage due to liquid oxygen supplies being prioritized for hospital patients?

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