Have we rounded the corner for the final time?

yes he did. he was my hero last year. i don’t view him as highly anymore. i also suspect that daddy fan would have wound up with covid regardless of that mandate on nursing homes. i blame all that on his dipshit podiatrist who fucked up his foot infection that resulted in all this horror in the first place.

Link?

I think the shortage of masks that filter small particles is over. I can even find kn94 rated cloth masks. :wink:

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Marcie is going to show you a list of studies where masks did not prevent the wearer from inhaling/catching a respiratory virus and ignore the concept that a mask will reduce the amount of virus exhaled by someone currently infected.

You can start here: https://rationalground.com/masks-are-not-source-control/

Lemme know when you have something better than Hairstylist A from Great Clips in Springfield, MO.

Your article only shows fancy pictures of what happens when someone exhales with different types of face coverings. There is also the odd point in there toward the end where masks accumulate stuff from toilet plumes, which seems to contradict the entire argument that the mask doesn’t accumulate stuff from exhale plumes. I’m really trying to free think my way into believing masks are a net negative.

https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-real-time-learning-network/infection-prevention/masks-and-face-coverings-for-the-public/

There is plenty of real world evidence of lower transmission rates when masks are worn. Also, it is not just infection that can be prevented, it can also be lower viral loads and less severe cases when infection does occur.

Anti mask Republicans won the covid contest by 2-1. That’s obviously not the only difference in behavior, but part of the overall effort.

Also, a bunch of democrats from Texas were unmasked on a bus and a few of them contacted covid and suddenly they should have all been masked?

My county’s incidents are way up since the low in early June, back to early March levels, and, more alarming, back to early November 2020 levels.

My R congressman wore a mask when the governor refused to (last year) and he is currently encouraging people to get vaccinated. I don’t always love his politics but at least he has not made Covid political.

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Sigh, my state is ticking back up again in both cases and deaths. Thankfully my locale is leading the state in vaccination so we’re doing pretty okay. The more rural areas are getting hit hard. There are now 3 deaths in the family, 1 very elderly, 1 who did have lung cancer already (so fine he died WITH it not FROM it, whatever), 1 who was relatively healthy.

So sorry, that sucks!

For a while, AL’s low vacc rate wasn’t resulting in huge case increases. Sadly, not anymore. Making a move for top 5 state per capita. Hospitalization totals have an ugly shape.


Yeah, not surprising. I remember a half-year or so ago arguing with people that, yeah, places like Alabama aren’t hit too hard currently because nobody goes there. The data caught up though - the fully vaccinated rate tracks so neatly to lower per-capita hospitalizations, weird.

I think large employers are going to have to lead the way by mandating vaccines for their employees. Fed Government employees seem to be on their way, and if Walmart / UPS / Amazon / Target etc follow suit it will allow for others to do it as well

The northeast is leading in vaccinations. I hope that helps us.

It correlates pretty well with latitude, too, and the classic actuarial “what was it last year?”
https://twitter.com/The_OtherET/status/1418992134422769665?s=19

Weird.

ETA: on my screen this is displaying the linked tweet incorrectly. It should have two maps: one the top 10 states for covid hospitalizations from 7/24/20; the other the top 10 from 7/24/21.

It could be a latitude thing but only for the unvaccinated.

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It could be a latitude thing, but it is actually an attitude thing

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The correlation between last year’s (pre-vaccine) and this year’s (post-vaccine) results don’t say much about the vaccine, and PZ’s comment could be dead-on (I expect it to be the real reason). I am a more than little irritated with the CDC failing to collect the vacc/non-vacc splits across all data so we can get data to shape recommendations.

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It’s these changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes
Nothing remains quite the same
With all of our running and all of our cunning
If we couldn’t laugh we would all go insane

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CDC has a map for where all people should wear masks indoors:

Much of the US is seeing “substantial” (orange) or “high” (red) rates of transmission, where masks are now advised indoors. In the few pockets of “moderate” (yellow) and “low” (blue) zones, fully vaccinated people can go mask-free, according to the CDC.

Good news (for me) is I went on vacation to a very yellowish-bluish (so, greenish?) area of the country. It also seemed, while I was there, to be one of the least densely populated areas of the country.
Still wore a mask indoors in densely populated little spaces (bars, CVS).

So, the answer to the thread title is, Hell no!