Also, a lot of “I don’t see it, so it must not exist” in RDO’s logic.
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The problem is that racial disparate impacts don’t always indicate racism. Almost all the claims about systemic racism disappear when socio-economic class is controlled for. A lot of the others have geographic components. Legacy and self-segregating community populations are huge confounding factors for those when looking at racial effects. (Think policing and environmental racism especially for this issue.)
They really don’t. Their impact may be smaller, but they are still there. See above.
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Sorry the effects LARGELY (as in 90+%) disappear when class is controlled for. We should definitely concentrate on the 10%. 
Nope. I just posted multiple studies that show this isnt true. Again you are desperate to believe this and don’t seem to accept the actual data.
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This is also the result of current today racist laws. We don’t zone against color, but we zone against poverty knowing that the overwhelming majority of poor people in an area are people of color. No one is trying to keep Billy out of their single family neighborhood because Billy isn’t leaving the po from three hours away, but someone 20 minutes away in a crappy school district won’t be able to afford to live there with housing costs above their reach so the kids are stuck and any chance at addressing the issues with poverty through education are severely restricted.
I couldn’t read the NY Times due to firewall. But basically other than the callback NONE of the cited works controlled for class. So, you know, good luck with your reading comprehension. Also the county level implicit bias test data is hardly a representative sample being self selected. Maybe the best available, but still pretty bad.
I suppose, but limited resources and all. Put most of the work into the greater part.
It should be noted that our analyses cover the vast majority of school-aged students in the United States, and our models include a large set of covariates, suggesting that the relationships between bias and discipline are not due to confounds that can often co-occur with racial disparities, such as socioeconomic status or population demographics.
This was from the pnas study.
Misconduct, such as hiding evidence, tampering with witnesses or perjury, may also have contributed to the racial disparity.
The authors found such wrongdoing was present in 76 percent of cases in which black murder defendants were wrongfully convicted, but just 63 percent of cases in which white defendants were exonerated.
So your argument is that prosecutors are more likely to engage in wrong doings against poor people but the idea that it could be racial bias is beyond your comprehension?
You are grasping at anything just to avoid the conclusion that all of the data is either doesn’t disprove racial bias or shows clear racial bias. Nothing supports your claim that racial bias isn’t the cause and it’s almost entirely socioeconomic.
I hear story after story of professional, upper class POC experiencing traffic stops for no reason, a minor reason, or because they “fit a description”. In 2021.
I used to believe it was a class thing too. Bryan Stevenson, the lawyer who started the Equal Justice Initiative and wrote the book Just Mercy, was detained for sitting in his car in front of his house. It’s hard to collect data on these things bc if no charges are filed, there’s often no record except for the person’s story.
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From the same study. Which BTW studies the statistical relationship between county levels of explicit and implicit racial bias and school disciplinary outcomes between black/white students. So “Does measurable racial bias affect outcomes by race?”
Wait, what am I doing. I’m engaging JB who I already know won’t engage in any meaningful debate on the subject. Just toss up more and more strawmen. NVM. I’m done here.
I prefer “white normal”. Suggests that “normal” world that white people see isn’t the same as the world that non-white people see.
If policing problems are due to class differences, but black americans are much more likely to lower class, then i think this still reflects racism.
It seems to me the danger is that we need to have evidence based strategies to improve things. By its nature disparate impact does not give the detailed cause. It functions as a performance metric rather than an explanation.
I don’t think that follows, clearly it would be a case of correlation =/> causation
See I view the policing differences more on the theory that cops use more aggressive methods in high crime areas to try to bring the levels down. Also because they tend to get much less cooperation in high crime/poverty areas.
The poverty disparities that is residual from past racism is incidental to this but makes it look like racist policing on the surface due to past truly racial policing. Sheriff Clark anyone?
On policing I think that’s certainly an issue across the board. The NYPD cop who drove into a bunch of protestors clearly wasn’t aiming for anyone in particular.
The problem isn’t that you are engaging me, the problem is that you don’t understand what the studies are saying. The quoted section supports my claim that even controlling for socioeconomic factors race is still a significant factor. This section just acknowledges how everything is connected. Things like lack of positive portrayals of African Americans in the media might lead to these racial biases.
I’m happy to have meaningful debates on most subjects, but it becomes impossible when one party has predetermined what they want to believe regardless of the totality of evidence.
This is a perfect example of this. You have a belief that racism isn’t a big problem and that our country has moved passed it. You think the actual problems are caused by correlated factors. I provided evidence that this isn’t the case, but it seems like your confirmation bias makes this conversation nearly impossible.
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I’m making the assumption that, all else equal, black americans should not have lower income than white americans because there is nothing different about them. It’s hard to imagine a cause for an average difference in income that is not racism, particularly systematic racism which has a broad definition. I agree, though, those results combined with a causative explanation and measurement of that causative mechanism would be more convincing.
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All else isn’t equal. Blacks were put into a cycle of poverty and largely kept there for 100 years following the Civil War. Its been almost 50 years and the systems and policies that kept them poor have been removed and changed to not be racist anymore. This is not to say that there are not racists in the country. There are, and they come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. They are just a small minority rather than the majority they used to be. The problem is the poverty cycle still functions. But it functions regardless of race. Fix the causes of today. Not the causes of yesterday.