Bridge: 2024 MSC discussion

Thanks. Helpful. I think I’ll stick with 3D, with 2NT being my second choice on A.

On B, I’ll change my bid to 4NT.

Via e-mail

                       A     B     C       D     E            F       G         H
procrastinator        2N    6S    3H      2H    4C            4C      3N        H6
oirg                  2N     P    2N      2H    4C            3S      3N        S2
SW                    2D    5H    2N      2H    4C            3D      4S       C10
Klaymen                                                                         
ST                                                                              
BTDT                  2D    5H    1N      2H    4C            4C      3N       C10
NN                                                                              
veni vidi vici        2D    5H    2N      2H    4C            4C      3N        DA
4Sigma                                                                          
Abstract Actuary      3D    4N    2C      2H    4C            3N      3N        DA
Leading               2D    5H    2N      2H    4C            4C      3N          

Now a leader on all except the lead.

A) 2D
B) 4NT
C) 2C
D) 2D
E) 4C
F) 4S
G) Pass
H) dA

                       A     B     C       D     E            F       G         H
procrastinator        2N    6S    3H      2H    4C            4C      3N        H6
oirg                  2N     P    2N      2H    4C            3S      3N        S2
SW                    2D    5H    2N      2H    4C            3D      4S       C10
Klaymen               2D    4N    2C      2D    4C            4S       P        DA
ST                                                                              
BTDT                  2D    5H    1N      2H    4C            4C      3N       C10
NN                                                                              
veni vidi vici        2D    5H    2N      2H    4C            4C      3N        DA
4Sigma                                                                          
Abstract Actuary      3D    4N    2C      2H    4C            3N      3N        DA
Leading               2D    5H    2N      2H    4C            4C      3N        DA

Now a leader on all, but some of them only by a single vote.

Leading choices submitted

Scored. I’ll post details tonite. Our 720 made the honor roll. VVV’s 720 obviously would have also. BTDT’s 700 would also have, the lowest score to make it.

Also will post next month’s problems tonite

                  A           B        C        D        E        F        G        H        Total
procrastinator    2N      100 6S   50  3H   0   2H   100 4C   90  4C   100 3N   100 H6   70  610  
oirg              2N      100 P    100 2N   100 2H   100 4C   90  3S   60  3N   100 S2   0   650  
SW                2D      80  5H   80  2N   100 2H   100 4C   90  3D   70  4S   70  C10  90  680  
Klaymen           2D      80  4N   50  2C   80  2D   60  4C   90  4S   90  P    80  DA   70  600  
ST                                                                                                
BTDT              2D      80  5H   80  1N   60  2H   100 4C   90  4C   100 3N   100 C10  90  700  
NN                                                                                                
veni vidi vici    2D      80  5H   80  2N   100 2H   100 4C   90  4C   100 3N   100 DA   70  720  
4Sigma                                                                                            
Abstract Actuary  3D      0   4N   50  2C   80  2H   100 4C   90  3N   0   3N   100 DA   70  490  
Submitted         2D      80  5H   80  2N   100 2H   100 4C   90  4C   100 3N   100 DA   70  720  


                                                                                  
                  2N      100 P    100 2N   100 2H   100 4S   100 4C   100 3N   100 S6   100   
                  2D      80  5H   80  2C   80  2D   60  4C   90  4S   90  P    80  S5   100      
                  3D      0   4N   50  1N   60                    3D   70  4S   70  C10  90       
                              6S   50  3H   0                     3S   60           H2   80       
                                                                                    H6   70       

Our Submitted’s and VVV’s 720 would be in a tie for 17-26 on the monthly honor roll. BTDT’s 700 would be in a tie for 41-53.

Pass was the top score on B, eh?
Guess I was wrong when I told AA that 4H would be interpreted by most as a slam try.

Or maybe the moderator got it wrong?

Screenshot 2024-09-04 at 9.26.21 AM

I would agree that the 8 panelists who passed and almost certainly the 2 who bid 4S thought it was just a choice of games (since 4S over a slam try would be incredibly cowardly). But 4H as a choice of games seems extremely low win, since surely 4S is a reasonable game and 4H as a slam try seems more useful, since it doesn’t force us beyond 4S if we have an unsuitable hand.

And presumably many of the 16 panelists (a majority) recognized that slam was at least possible with opener’s sequence, possible enough that they bid beyond game. Odd if partner’s sequence is not at least a mild slam try.

Similarly a majority of solvers bid above 4S. Will be interesting to read the discussion in the article.

A: b4. Our hand is just so strong. With that many HCP, two stoppers in opponents suits. Strong holdings like KQ109, with likely power in RHO’s hand. I want to explore a bit and double gives us the most space. Now what to do next is less clear for me. I assume Partner’s 2NT is weak? If not, can someone clarify. If so, let’s just jump to 3NT at that point and be done with it.

B: 3H. I’m not sure exactly what each bid would mean here. Presumably 3H shows 5 hearts and some strength, which feels right.

C: 2NT. A bit at a loss here. My instinct was to allow 2SX, but with neither side vulnerable, this seems like it isn’t worth the risk. And with an effective stopper in spades and no support for partner and moderate strength, thinking we try to get to game. If partner had 6 hearts, presumably he would have bid 3H over 2S? So I think 3H by me is promising too much.

D: Double. Another one that I felt pretty lost with. I started with double, but didn’t like that 5D is a likely response from partner, and then what? Considered 4S, but that felt like an overpromise on spades and also potentially limiting slam exploration. 5C could be right, but again, might miss a better spade game or slam. Then considered Pass as the surest positive score. But likely leaves a lot of points on the table. And ended up back at Dbl.

E: 3H. Not perfect. I think it says we have 1 heart, but does show our heart weakness in a 3NT scenario. Maybe it misses a chance to properly show our spade strength or our diamond support (or maybe the 3H bid shows diamond support).

F: 3NT? What does “Bart applies” mean?

G: 4S.

H: D10

Tough problem set. Given my track record, may be worthwhile to just throw my votes out.

What does “Bart applies” mean?

From system notes:

I’m not sure what that means, for this auction, beyond that a 2C rebid would have suggested hearts. Perhaps the direct 2H bid suggests a complete minimum, or perhaps i suggests at least 6 hearts.

The issue arrived. Discussion is not so interesting. Some panelists (Carl Hudecek, Jeff Rubens, Nik Demirev [who??? perhaps a short-stint panelist based on a high score, like we will be for 3 months in 2025], Zia, Bart Bramley, Howard Weinstein, Robert Wolff, Mark Cohen all seem to think partner’s sequence is a slam try. [Of those, Zia at least seems to consider that maybe it was not intended as a slam try]

Others (Brian Glubok, John Diamond, Steve Robinson, Larry Robbins, Danny Kleinman, Fred Stewart, moderator Kit Woolsey) all thought it was just a choice of games and passed. Daniel Korbel also passed, presumably thinking it was just a choice of games, but he wasn’t quoted.

That leaves a few panelists for whom I can’t be sure what they though partner’s intentions were, but thought the hand was so good they should bid above game.

Moderator Kit Woolsey has this comment about all the invitational sequences: if partner’s bid is in fact a slam try, you should be bidding a slam, not inviting (since your hand is so good, opposite a slam try you should insist on one, and from partner bidding only 2H, there should be no thought of reaching a grand).

Thanks for posting the summary. I also resubscribed recently, so will read it myself eventually.

I played on a team with Nik about 15 years ago. He was an expert/pro from the Chicago area then, making top 16 in Spingold type of results (not with me on the team :P). Not sure how much he has been playing recently.

From VVV by e-mail

A b4; Dbl then 3N over 2N. To suggest (with 3NT, even more than the original Dbl) that I would be glad to have him put us in hearts.

B. 3N. A toughie, since hearts could be better. Maybe 3H should be forcing, but even if it is partner might not be in a position to bid 3S over it when 3N is best. We should have good chances for 3N, and we are vulnerable. (Though VVV makes a good case for Double)

C. 2N. Definitely more points than I might have for this auction, but partner is presumably short in spades and hand doesn’t have much except at least one spade stop.

D. 5C. Yes, I would like to keep 4S in play, but I can’t suggest diamond tolerance IMO.

E. 4H. It hadn’t occurred to me, but I think that VVV is right that this would be exclusion key-card, and if so it seems like a good choice. (Or maybe it’s not a good choice since this isn’t matchpoints. Pretty good chance we can take as many tricks in spades as in diamonds, but are we just going to assume that’s the case. If we start with exclusion, we can’t find out anything about his spades. And some chance NT would be best)

F. Pass. Our surest plus; game is remote.

G. 4S. Worth a shot. Looks like a no-brainer, vul at imps (unless we should be doing something now for the possibility that they bid 5C?). Would be a tougher choice at matchpoints.

H. SJ. Yes, anything could be right, but a heart lead would be my 4th choice, and a club not very tempting either. Dummy has 4 spades, but almost certainly not 5, so I’m going with this.

                              A     B     C     D     E     F     G     H
procrastinator                                                          
oirg                                                                    
SW                    Dbl, then 3N    3N    2N    5C    4H     P    4S    SJ
Klaymen                                                                 
ST                                                                      
BTDT                                                                    
NN                                                                      
veni vidi vici        Dbl, then 3N   Dbl    2N   Dbl    4H    3H    4S    SJ
4Sigma                                                                  
Abstract Actuary      Dbl, then 3N    3H    2N   Dbl    3H     ?    4S   D10
Leading               Dbl, then 3N          2N                      4S