Banned Books

Is that how YOU read books as a child? I read lots adult books as a kid. I was clear by the time I could read on the difference between fiction and fact. There were a lot of books I read that went over my head – some assigned by teachers – what teenager really has the life experience to understand The great Gatsby? But Brave New World was accessible, and I knew perfectly well it wasn’t real. For that matter, I read The Lord of the Rings in second grade, and was perfectly clear that neither hobbits nor wizards existed in the real world.

I don’t think 50 shades of gray is a good book for a middle-schooler, but I don’t think they are too young to understand that it’s just a story, and that different people have different experiences.

Don’t be obtuse. You know damn well I didn’t mean that teenagers think orcs are real or that there are space wizards with laser swords.

Yes, absolutely, 100%. Not intentionally of course. Much of who I am today are the parts of characters that I know vividly. Sam Gamgee is a huge influence even if I didn’t recognize it at the time to use your LotR example. I was deeply moved by a specific book as a sophomore where I changed my behavior starting that day and think frequently on the specific passage. I very recently realized while watching an 80s TV show how much of an influence the lead character had on me. Those are all positive things. I also know that reading/seeing several adult things that as a child influenced me in a negative way.

Then i guess I’m obtuse. I read lots of books as a kid that might be considered inappropriate. Sometimes, i simply didn’t understand the motivations of the characters. Sometimes i explicitly rejected them. Sometimes i made moral judgements on the protagonist and found him wanting. (Most of the books i read had male protagonists.) I haven’t read 50 shades of gray. It’s not a book i would hand to a middle school kid, either, just based on the subject matter. Maybe it would have messed me up if I’d read it in middle school. But I’m dubious.

JR Ewing??

Might be help if you went into this?

I didn’t identify strongly with anything I read/watched, and I don’t recall making personal / moral errors because of it. I also wasn’t simple minded as a teen, and didn’t grow much as an adult. I also didn’t read much, tbh… That’s not to argue. I assume I’m just weird, and would appreciate a different perspective.

In theory, I think good books are supposed to make us into better people for the exact opposite reasons that you describe 50 shades. They help us see how other people feel and think and experience life. And they prepare us to deal with emotional and physical realities that we can’t or won’t talk about. Books do this better than TV shows and movies because they are internal. They are about feelings. Best of all, good books help us see other people, including other races and genders, as we see ourselves.

And to me that’s why reading a good book (not 50 shades) with sex seems like a good thing for someone who is about to have sex, or who has already had the bad kind of sex… More broadly I think kids would benefit from simply reading a few books with people who have good relationships, so that, for example, the other gender is not exotic.

Tootie from Facts of Life?

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I had a similar experience. I mean, the first “grown-up” book I read was Gone with the Wind and I was in 6th grade. I think I loved the drama. There were things I liked about Scarlett (she became a business woman) but I didn’t necessarily respect her or want to be her. I just thought it was an interesting story. Upon reflection, it may have been the first book I read where the characters were three dimensional. There are obviously themes in that book that went over my head at the time.

Screetch from “Saved By The Bell”?

Maybe The Bear from BJ and the Bear?

Balkie Bartokamous?

Thelma from Night Court?

Vicky the Robot?

Webster?

Max Headroom?

Blanch from Golden Girls?

Come on, give us some clues!

We should keep guessing, 'cuz it’s more fun than the eventual answer (Norm on “Cheers”?) will be.

Bruce Willis on Moonlighting?

No, I know now who it was.


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That was only barely in the 80s

It was obviously Ralph Hinkley. He was the greatest.

I read a lot as a young child, but reduced this habit significantly as I became better/obsessed with sports. It is hard for me to go back in time to tell how much the books molded me. I do know that qualities of my peers (mostly in college) impacted my personality. And later in life, the focused viewing of countless older movies helped me understand the feelings of others and myself. I specify “older” movies as those were usually more plot-focused where it was easier to experience what the characters were going through.

With that said, I can see how getting deep into books can significantly influence/develop a child. Experiences continue to influence me today.

The Roboz
Enos Strate
Les Nessman
Bud Bundy
Mona Robinson
Ben Seaver
Daryl, Daryl or Larry
Charley Dietz
The Gooch

John Green discusses a scene in one of his books that is being banned in a lot of places. He always deletes his tweets after a while, so I’ll post screenshots.

https://twitter.com/johngreen/status/1570827015565242369?s=46&t=T927wZ-BIm1bec7d_8Nn7A

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My wife put up a display of banned books in her Middle-School library. One kid asked “what’s that mean?” She replied, “It means that at some point in time and/or someplace, these books were not allowed to be read.” Response: “Well, NOW I’m interested in them.”

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Yup. He made this nice argument years ago.

Also this broader rant about the value of fiction as it relates to his christian values.

Very tough call, could conceivably have gone in “Republicans say the darnedest things” for what the Republican candidate for superintendent of public schools said. Or happy thoughts, for what the article said was a happy ending. But my happiest thought was not the ending, but the show of support from the community.

From today’s Philadelphia Inquirer, article posted since original paywalled.

tl;dr: teacher got in big trouble for trying to have a discussion about the issue of banned books (not about any particular banned book)

spoilertext "spoilered for size"

NORMAN, Okla. — Summer Boismier was living her childhood dream. She grew up a bookworm, became a high school English teacher, and filled both her classroom and home with her favorite literature.

She taught her students: “Stories are what is fundamental about the human experience. We all have them.”

Boismier especially loves the fantasy genre, a passion sprouted from childhood favorite Harry Potter. But even in a world of fantasy, she couldn’t have dreamed that a lesson from her English class would land her in the center of a vigorous statewide political campaign and turn her into a target for candidates and voters on social media.

Over the last two years, the nine-year teaching veteran was growing alarmed with the Republican-controlled Oklahoma Legislature’s increasing efforts to restrict access to books in public schools. In her classroom, she covered some bookshelves with red butcher tape and labeled them “Books the state doesn’t want you to read.” She gave students a QR code link to the Brooklyn Public Library, which provides access to banned books.

She hoped to spark a discussion about the book restrictions and a new law prohibiting lessons on critical race theory and other concepts about race and gender. Instead, she was summoned to a meeting with school administrators after a parent complained.

A firestorm erupted as Boismier resigned and a reporter from a local television station covered the story. The state’s Republican candidate for superintendent of public schools, Ryan Walters, wrote a letter to the State Board of Education calling for Boismier’s teaching license to be revoked.

“There is no place for a teacher with a liberal political agenda in the classroom," Walters wrote in the letter he then tweeted and sent to reporters, even accusing Boismier of providing access to “pornographic material." The incident gained traction on social media, and people claimed she was part of a larger movement of teachers indoctrinating students with liberal ideology.

Boismier, 34, and other teachers have found themselves at the center of a renewed conservative interest in public education as a political issue. The movement gained steam with parents opposing mask mandates and other COVID-19 measures. It has since broadened, and some supporters focus on issues they say clash with conservative values — such as teaching about social justice, gender, race, and history.

For weeks, Boismier — a book-loving English teacher without any political aspirations — was the focus of an ugly and heated statewide campaign. People on social media called for her to be prosecuted, thrown in prison, or even lynched.

“It was a little bit of a firehose of bigotry,” Boismier said.

Even after she resigned, the campaign against her continued, and she left home for a short time when someone e-mailed a threatening note that included her address. She called her mother in tears.

“That’s hard enough to read to yourself," Boismier said. “It’s even harder, I think, to read that to your mother. I’m not going to lie. I was scared.”

As Oklahoma struggles to hire enough qualified teachers, those already in the jobs have increasingly found themselves the target of such conservative attacks and politicians. On the campaign stump and social media, Walters has relentlessly attacked public school teachers as liberal indoctrinators. Similar attacks against schools and libraries also have proliferated across the country.

For Boismier, her story has a happy ending. She found comfort in the community that rallied around her amid the attacks — some even printed yard signs, buttons, and T-shirts with the QR code she shared with students. One yard sign is prominently displayed in the front lawn that can be seen from the football stadium.

Now, she’s heading to New York for a job with the Brooklyn Public Library — her first move away from Oklahoma since a brief internship in Washington after college.

Despite the controversy and roller-coaster of emotions she’s experienced over the last two months, she said she’d be willing to go through it all again — she’s proud she stood up for her students and now has the opportunity to reach more young people.

“My teaching certificate may very well be on the chopping block," she said. “But I’d do it all again with zero hesitation.

“My only regret is that I didn’t do it sooner."

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