- Yes. Poor Palestine.
- No. Israel all the way.
- Bunch of pots and kettles
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- If it aināt in America I donāt care
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Only East Palestine.
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Before I vote, whatās the point spread?
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Just curious what people think. This is not an issue I grew up with, and only learned of after I came to the US. Iāve listened to a few podcasts on the issue, and have heard arguments from both sides, but Iām sure thereās a lot of biases as feelings get involved.
Theyāve both done horrible things and both should be condemned. Butā¦
Israelās motivation seems mostly to survive, interspersed with some ābad behaviorā. Palestineās motivation is to destroy Jewish people and Israel. theyāre not the same thing.
Palestine would drop a dirty bomb on Israel given the opportunity. Israel isnāt going to bomb Palestine out of existence even if they had the chance. Big, and important difference.
But on a daily basis, itās often hard to tell the difference.
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I voted Israel because of the above but Iād say itās more grey than just Israel vs Palestine.
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FYP
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Agreed, I voted Palestine because they really got fucked. However, neither side is entirely right or wrong. White people really messed things up for them.
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How much of that desire to dirty bomb is just rhetoric? We have seen over the past few years in the US how some pretty extreme points of view can persist with little opposition just based on how coalitions align themselves.
Id expect the average person on either side to prefer just moving on and getting along in peace.
If it was just rhetoric enough years have passed that thereād be peace over there by now.
Having hostile leadership certainly makes building any trust difficult.
I just donāt know what real options exist for Palestinians to change the direction of their leadership to be more cooperative. They are poor, uneducated, and, as a result, easy to manipulate.
There are a lot of structural reasons they canāt move on. Palestinians who were displaced werenāt allowed to just emigrate and set up homes elsewhere, like most people who lose wars. They were kept in camps in Palestine to put political pressure on Israel. The Palestinians have been royaly screwed by their leadership and the rest of the Arab world, supported by Europe. And now there are generations whoāve grown up living in horrible conditions under Israeli mistreatment who of course hate Israel.
Thereās plenty of wrong on both sides. I hope Israel survives, which i guess puts me in the Israel camp. But Israel just voted to shit on the Palestinians. So i really canāt say, āIsrael all the wayā.
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Itās very hard for me not to see the current situation as equivalent to apartheid at worst, or colonialism at best. Itās not a good look for Israel.
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From the title and OP, I canāt say I have any idea what this thread is aboutā¦ sounds like a massive over-generalization.
Things like this are why I have a hard time being on Israelās side.
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Folks in Oklahoma are gonna be pissed when the Comanche ask for their ancestral lands back.
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Itās not really Israelās fault that Pompeo says idiotic stuff. But thereās been plenty of similar things said by actual Israeli leaders with which to find fault. To say nothing of their actionsā¦
But to answer the question posed in the OPā¦ Iād like to see some sort of two-state solution although I have concerns about Palestinian leadershipā¦ and Israeli willingness to go along with it.
Be careful what you sign onto, you might get doxxed or called out by a hedge fund CEO.
I was going to start a new thread but when I typed in my title, this popped up wondering if this might be a better place. Iām ok using this one.