2024 Paris Olympics

USA Gymnastics requests Jordan Chiles ruling be revised, submits new video proving inquiry was filed in time (msn.com)

"The fact that Landi allegedly submitted the appeal four seconds after the deadline was the basis of the CAS ruling. Per USA Gymnastics, the time-stamped video shows that Landi did not miss the deadline, but instead first requested to file an inquiry 47 seconds after the score was posted, with a second statement occuring 55 seconds after the score was posted.

According to the statement, USA Gymnastics did not previously have access to the video before the CAS ruling, and therefore was not able to submit it earlier."

This is a perfect example of “a rule exists, but it’s stupid.”

The ROW has almost caught up to the US when it comes to basketball prowess.

Its astonishing really. 1992 Dream Team blew away the competition in Barcelona, and now 30 years later they are barely scraping by with the gold (and its not because the US got worse talent-wise).

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It’s akin to the golf rule where if you sign an incorrect scorecard (your opponent keeps your score, BTW), you are automatically DQ’d. There’s no reason for such a rule when scores are already being tracked live by the tour.

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And that is good for basketball globally.

The same thing happened in hockey for Canada when the Soviets got serious about hockey in the 1950’s. Canada used to just send a Senior A team to the world and Olympic competitions and it usually won. The ROW started to catch up in the 1960’s making hockey a competitive international sport. The Olympic hockey championship is now very exciting, especially when the NHL lets its players participate.

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But in the 60’s-80’s I would assume the Canadian team was as amateur as the US team.
The Soviet Block teams were basically professionals.

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Almost as amateur: certainly second tier.

The first time the best NHL Canadian professionals played the Soviets was in an eight game series in September 1972 split between Canadian sites and Moscow. The NHL’ers were overconfident and I think out of shape as they didn’t do the rigorous offseason training in those days that they do now. They got better as the series progressed as they played themselves back in shape but the series was a toss-up.

I wonder if that was in response to or inspired this from McDonalds France?

They say they are removing curry dipping sauce from their menu.

https://www.abc4.com/news/national/mcdonalds-france-jokingly-considers-removing-item-after-losing-gold-to-usas-basketball-team/

Fair enough. I seem to recall there was an equally silly movement in the US some years ago to change the name “french fries” to “freedom fries” when US-France relations were rocky.

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I believe it was tongue-in-cheek due to the scorching Steph Curry gave them in the Men’s BBall final.

3 euros extra.

I have mixed feelings about this. After much consideration, I disagree with Canada’s premise.

For those of you who have forgotten Canada’s situation:

Each short program is scored and the top-scoring country in each category (dance, pairs, men’s, and women’s) gets 10 points, second place country gets 9 points, etc., down to 1 point for the last place team.

The top 5 teams go on to skate their long programs earning a ranking of 10, 9, 8, 7, or 6 in each event.

Top score wins. Then there’s tiebreakers.

As originally posted, after the short program the rankings were:

  1. ROC: 36
  2. USA: 34
  3. Japan: 29
  4. Canada: 24
  5. China: 22 +tiebreaker over Georgia
  6. Georgia: 22
  7. Italy: 20
    [3 more countries that were under 20]

So ROC, USA, Japan, Canada, and China advanced and everyone else was done.

After the long program the scores were:

  1. ROC: 74
  2. USA: 65
  3. Japan: 63
  4. Canada: 53
  5. China: 50

THEN they decided that ROC’s woman, Kamila Valieva (who skated both the short and the long program… they are allowed to switch skaters, but they didn’t), was DQ’d. She was the top woman skater in both events, earning two scores of 10.

What the IOC decided to do was to erase Valieva’s two 10’s, thus decreasing ROC’s score from 74 to 54, putting them in bronze medal position, with Valieva ineligible for a medal. (It’s crazy that they were SO dominant that even scoring two 0’s they still medaled.)

So:

  1. USA: 65
  2. Japan: 63
  3. ROC: 54
  4. Canada: 53
  5. China: 50

Now if Canada had argued that ROC went forth with an ineligible competitor (whom they absolutely should have known was ineligible) and therefore the whole team should be disqualified… I think they’d have a point. Especially because we are NOT talking about Russia… we’re talking about ROC. Why ROC and not Russia? Oh, because they’ve been caught cheating too many times before the 2022 Olympics. It might be reasonable to say that if you can’t even compete as a country because of past doping scandals then you’re on an extra short leash.

If a member of ROC’s hockey team used a banned substance I think that knocks out the entire team. But figure skating is not ice hockey and it IS possible to segregate the results, so at that point it’s a question of how much you want to punish the whole team for one ineligible player. Reasonable people can disagree here whether the whole team should be DQ’d or just the one skater. I tend to think they should crack down on doping and DQing the whole team (from the team event) for one ineligible skater sends a stronger message. I actually think they shouldn’t have even been allowed to compete at the Tokyo Olympics at all.

But that wasn’t Canada’s argument (and they may well have lost it if it were). Canada’s actual argument was that after turning Valieva’s two 10s into 0s… they should have ALSO bumped up the scores of all of the other finalist teams two more points (since every woman finished behind ROC… twice. Each would have earned one more point for her country had Valieva simply not skated and no other athlete skated in her place.)

Thus following Canadian logic we’d have:

  1. USA: 67
  2. Japan: 65
  3. Canada: 55
  4. ROC: 54
  5. China 52

Canada would get the bronze in this scenario, ahead of ROC.

But I think at this point you have to start thinking about what this re-ranking would hypothetically mean were the math slightly different.

This line of argument essentially says “we’re going to pretend the ineligible skater didn’t skate”.

Well in this particular case ROC still would have scored 26 after the short program and Georgia still wouldn’t have been eligible to skate the long program. But with slightly different placements, such an argument easily could have meant that Georgia would have qualified for the long program (and a chance to medal). What about them? You can’t really go back in time and have their teams skate a long program two years after the fact.

If instead of ROC’s woman, it had been any of China’s skaters that were subsequently DQ’d, that would have pushed Georgia into qualifying for the long program.

I just don’t think that there’s a way to retrospectively follow that argument to a logical conclusion. :woman_shrugging:

So in the end, I think it’s a travesty that 1) ROC was even allowed to participate in the first place and 2) didn’t have their whole figure skating team wiped from the team event once Valieva’s doping surfaced. But once the decision was made to keep them in the team competition… I think they were rightly placed in 3rd, not 4th. :woman_shrugging:

The TL;DR version of that is: Canada absolutely DOES deserve the bronze medal for several reasons… none of which were Canada’s actual argument for why they deserve bronze.

What’s ROC? “Rest of Canada”?

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This Aussie lady is being mocked relentlessly online due to her break dancing routine.

The Japanese break dancer was really good (I watched his set once)

Russian Olympic Committee

Russia was not permitted to compete in the 2022 Winter Olympics due to ongoing issues with state-sponsored doping. But certain Russian athletes (most of them) were invited to compete anyway, which I had a problem with.

No Russian flags could appear anywhere at the Olympics. If an ROC athlete medaled they flew the Olympic flag (with the 5 rings) in place of the Russian flag, and if the medal was gold they played the Olympic anthem instead of the Russian national anthem at the medal ceremony. Those medals do not count in Russia’s all-time medal count.

Any time an athlete’s national flag appeared by their name, NBC & affiliates used the Olympic flag for ROC, which I think was required for media, but I’m not positive. (Curious if Russian media honored that.)

But… most of the athletes were still able to compete despite rampant state-sponsored doping problems.

It’s a similar situation to previous Olympics where they were OAR… Olympic Athletes from Russia. I’m not sure what, if any, differences exist between OAR and ROC other than changing the name.

Reminds me of this winter olympian who got in through a loophole. She did halfpipe skiing with zero attempted tricks -

Yeah, I was thinking Republic of China but that is Taiwan which competes as Chinese Taipei. Then I was thinking he mean PROC but accidentally dropped the P. Then I realized it was Russia and wondered why he didn’t just say Russia, then remembered Russia was banned but couldn’t recall exactly what they were called but figured it must be Russian Olympic Committee but even that seemed wrong. If Russia is banned, wouldn’t the Russian Olympic Committee be banned also? Really confusing.

I’m a “she” but no biggie.

You’d think?!?! I think it’s a dumb solution. If any athletes were allowed to compete it should be as independent athletes. No “Russian” or “from Russia” in the name at all. Don’t acknowledge that they’re from a country that exists.

I guess they still need some organization to decide things like which figure skaters will get to compete and who makes the hockey team. Maybe that’s the rationale behind the name.

Originally WADA said Russia was guilty of state sponsored doping, so Russian athletes could only be neutral. Then Russia appealed and since WADA is spineless, corrupt and doesn’t really care about it that much, said fine, you can’t be Russia but you can be ROC after the committee as if that is any different.

Then the ROC, like Russia, said that some Ukrainian territories are part of the ROC now. IOC said you can’t do that so now they’re back to neutral athletes.