2023 US Government Shut Down

The Freedom Caucus is almost entirely made up of new members who don’t know how to do things. I just leafed through a good chunk of the members - most began in the House in 2019, 2021, or 2023.

Gym Jordan is the most tenured I see at a glance starting in 2007, but I don’t consider Jordan an effective politician.

Their chair began his first Congressional term in 2020.

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This is always the case since the fiscal year runs through 9/30. Freedom Caucus didn’t get the cuts and policy provisions they wanted so they pitched a (remaining) full-year CR, which would come with 1% cuts automatically based on last year’s budget deal.

That’s different than the (half-)budget that was voted on today to provide new spending levels for the rest of the fiscal year.

This is one area where they are being consistent in their demands.

Great, thanks for the explanation.

Looks like no shutdown. Thanks Obama.

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Unclear from the article, is this an actual deal on the budget or is it “fund it as-is with no change?” Looks like something was actually negotiated rather than kicking the can.

Interesting that they’ve chosen September for the next budget/likely shutdown fight. Maybe we can get the GOP to shiv their own Speaker right before the election!

It’s deal, they are drafting final language for vote I believe but it’s expected to clear the house though the Freedum Caucus is likely to lose their shit. Whether they lose it enough to toss another speaker is to be seen.

Then it still needs to clear the Senate. They think that’s likely but it may get slowed down by Rand Paul such that there is a short shutdown before the Senate can ram it through.

September is not interesting at all in this context as the Federal fiscal year ends 9/30 and my understanding most annual budgets run through September.

The think what is interesting like it is many election years when Congress/Presidency is split an election is expected to be close it sets up even more posturing about the next budget to be used as an election tool.

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I was originally thinking this, and maybe my memory is short but I don’t recall much fuss about the budget in Presidential election years. From a quick Google it looks like there hasn’t been a shutdown in an election year since 1996 and that was in January. But it’s harder to quickly track down threats of a shutdown.

It would be nice to think that this September the House will keep its loose shit together.

Yeah I don’t think either party wants to be blamed for shutting down the government right before the election. I’d think they would be looking at some kind of continuing resolution to kick the can down to the newly seated congress in January.

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Yep, usually a CR to get past the election, sometimes just to December for the lame ducks to handle.

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That was Newt Gingrich and it boosted Clinton’s profile and tanked Newt’s career. I doubt the GOP would try that one again.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4544596-rand-paul-vows-to-hold-up-1t-minibus-that-must-pass-by-friday/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

And right on queue there is Rand Paul’s music playing.

He’s just raging against the machine.

OK, it’s 2024 now, not 2023…

Trump prefers a government shutdown over not pushing a voter ID measure

I caught wind a few days ago of Trump pushing a government shutdown.

It made me go back and research how many government shutdowns were caused by Democrats. It was a tougher topic to research than I assumed, as Wikipedia won’t just state “Democrats did this one, Republicans did that.” However, my takeaway is that it’s been at least 3 decades and likely longer (as I stopped researching) since Democrats were primarily at fault for a shutdown, and largely it’s been Republicans both threatening and ultimately being the ones to instigate the shutdown.

I feel that Americans are tiring of this nearly-annual budget theater and I interpret more recent shutdowns as being viewed more negatively for Republicans. The bipartisan border bill was shot down at the request of Trump, which Republicans will deny for some reason, but the facts exist. I believe some people who might not have voted notice things like this over time. They accumulate and eventually something happens - maybe they saw an article about Trump making immigration worse and then watch Trump ranting about immigrants and realize they should vote against that lunatic. In this case, it’s Republicans threatening another shutdown at Trump’s orders.

I don’t think there are tons of such people, but I just don’t see another shutdown helping Republicans at this time.

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CR just passed the House, expcted to go through Senate tomorrow then to Biden for sig. Looks like Trump and the Freedum Caucus won’t get their pre-election shutdown this year.

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And we’ll get another exciting installment of kick-the-can-down-the-road during the lame duck session.

Sounds like it might be time to bump this thread.

It’s going to suck, having a bunch of TSA workers on duty, without pay, during the busy holiday travel season. (Or are they funded for longer?)

Is he saying we should shut down the government now to prevent a potential shutdown over the debt ceiling in June?

I thought it was the Republicans who didn’t want to raise the debt ceiling. Did they all change their minds?

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They want to raise the debt ceiling, but only for really important things that personally affect their constituents’ willingness to vote them back into office. But only if it’s OK with the Dear Leader, because getting a shitty primary opponent would be truly devastating.