Wheel of Time on Amazon - SPOILERS

Book and show spoilers within

Your memory about Moiraine’s disappearance in the books is essentially correct. She and Lanfear fall through the terangreal doorway to the lands of the fox people (whose name I won’t attempt to spell). Moiraine gets rescued several books later, while Lanfear escapes by other means and with a new face/body/name.

Siuan also doesn’t die in the books.

In the post-episode feature, where Rafe and some of the cast members talk about the episode, Rafe explains why they killed Siuan off: essentially, this marked the end of Siuan being a major character, and the practicalities of making a show mean that having an actor as prominent (and expensive) as Sophie Okonedo would be wasted for the remaining, secondary role that Siuan plays in the books.

So, they let Sophie go out with a big scene.

The same reasoning can be made regarding Moiraine / Rosamund Pike.

The core of the story doesn’t need those characters anymore. And with them targeting 8 seasons at 8 episodes per season, the show has to focus on the core of the story, rather than the various side-arcs that caused the series to run for 14 large books.

Personally, I like some of those side arcs…but I think the decision makes some sense in the context of only having 64 episodes to work with.

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Your conclusion may be true, but it’s not like Okonedo is exactly an A list actor. She has a long IMDB list, but most of the parts are not that big or memorable. I though she was Gina Torres (Suits) up through the end of season 2. I don’t recall her from anything, although I know that I saw the Agatha Chrstie movie she was in.

Perhaps terms like “prominent” should be considered in the context of Amazon Prime streaming shows. :slight_smile:

At a minimum, she is prominent enough for scheduling issues to have been a factor in Season 2 scripts, and to complicate the shooting schedule of Season 3.

They are also trying to show a good revenue vs expense ratio to Amazon and Sony to get additional seasons greenlit.

Finally got through it last night. Will be a shame to not renew for next season. None of the cool stuff has even happened yet. Though I’ve no idea which cool stuff given things keep getting cut out.

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It would be sadder if Rings of Power gets another season and Wheel of Time doesn’t.

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I think it’s a bad sign that no announcement has yet to be made even though we’re a week after the season 3 finale.

The showrunners made lots of mistakes, and those mistakes got in the way of building the audience size. And while the tomatometer was high (saying that those watching it liked it) the viewership numbers, meaning number of viewers and minutes viewed, were ultimately underwhelming.

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I liked this season until the last 2-3 episodes.

The Battle of the Two Rivers episode was meh to me. I get that every battle isn’t 10,000+ people but it just seemed ho hum to me and the rah-rah speeches didn’t do it for me.

The furry man thing from the finale made me laugh. I think they could have made whatever that was a lot better.

Not a book reader so some (most) of the details pass me by but its hard to keep track of all the words, places, people, etc in this show. Makes it hard for people to get invested and keep watching imo

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That’s a fair criticism. One of the fundamental challenges the show has had is Amazon’s religious belief that its streaming shows shall be 8 episodes per season. There’s not enough time to do the world-building that would help fill in the gaps for folks unfamiliar with Randland.

The funny names…that’s unfortunately the nature of the genre. The showrunners can’t abandon it without losing even more of the book fans.

I think it was mentioned (or at least strongly hinted at) in the E7 after-episode discussion that they had to make some decisions about the Battle of the Two Rivers due to budget constraints. The significance of some of the things that happened will be realized later (if there is a later – still no word on whether another season will be green-lit), although the conclusion of the episode was a MAJOR deviation from the books. The after-episode discussion gives the showrunner’s rationale for that, but…

The furry man…I’m not going to try to spell the name of that species, but they could be described as “foxes”… I was surprised we got that scene, as I thought that story arc was going to be completely cut from the show.

In the books, it’s almost as confusing. However, for the show, it suffers a little bit because of how they’ve rearranged part of the story. In the books, Matt has an encounter with a different doorway arch, where he has an encounter with snake-people who answer three questions for him.

The books have a little more commentary about who those people are, etc., but the show distilled it down to part of one scene – you may remember the cold open from one of the episodes, where Elaida has just stepped out of an arch, having had questions about her future answered. She was led to believe that she’d become Amyrlin Seat, but then she is surprised when she loses the vote to Siuan.

The books also spend a bit of time in a couple of places describing the children’s game “Snakes and Foxes”, a game that cannot be won except by cheating (and thus most people quit playing it once they realize that fact), as being a hazy recollection of people in the prior age having had dealings with those folks. However, the show simply hasn’t had the time to do that sort of world-building, although the game is in S3E1 as an easter egg.

The show’s done a much better job this season of not alienating book fans…or at least giving book fans some of the scenes they needed from the books, but I can see it a fair criticism that that came at the expense of understandability for folks who haven’t read the books.

At the moment, my money is on Season 4 not happening. While I understand that the profit margin for the show has been good by streaming standards, the studios have overspent over the past few years. And with a decent chance of a global recession…

That sucks, because I was going to be VERY interested in how the show handled the Battle of Dumai’s Wells.

I need to go back and re-read the series at some point, replacing my old headcanon with the show’s portrayals of the characters. However, I’ve got a pile of books queued on my Kindle ahead of that.

(The next book of the Dresden Files is FINALLY coming in January!!!)

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LOL, I was just looking at that last month and was surprised to find I wasn’t three books behind!

Jim Butcher had some developments in his personal life that seriously impacted his output of Dresden books.

The last couple suffered presumably due to that and the rush to produce something…but I also think he might be having trouble writing the story to get from where Dresden is now to the epic, cataclysmic series-ending trilogy he has in mind.

The new book is rumored to be taking a somewhat different tack (the title is “Twelve Months”, expectations are that that’s the timeframe it’ll span, rather than the few days/weeks typical in most of his books).

If nothing else, it’ll be amusing to see the year-long preparations for the shotgun wedding between two semi-enemies..

I have to ask… Was Moiraine’s hat from this season in the books? My wife and I got a kick out of every scene she was wearing it. It seemed so out of place and almost like it was more for Rosamund Pike the actress instead of Moiraine the character.

That was strictly a costuming decision for the show.

Presumably a wetlander would want head covering out in the waste, so the costume designer just made a decision.

The only hat I remember from the waste in the books was Matt’s hat. But since show Matt went to Tanchico instead… :person_shrugging:

A belated happy Star Wars day…but more importantly: Happy Wheel of Time Day

(This scene hasn’t yet happened in the show.)

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The text of the linked article is unreadable on my browser (anti-adblock measure, I assume), but I think the headline is sufficient:

:cry: …but admittedly not entirely surprised.

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Looks like WOT show fans are not going down without a fight.

Tweet from showrunner Rafe Judkins:

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Sorry, Rafe, TL&TL