Well, I did specifically say that
So yes, I feel like I acknowledged that.
I’m assuming that the folks who are triple vaxxed AND recovered, are not likely to spread it again.
Well it’s probably spreading in deer even faster than people since 0% of the deer population is vaccinated. So they might be developing some fairly robust immunity as well.
Yeah, I’m not envisioning a world where there are zero new infections. I’m envisioning a world where it’s more like measles. There will be the occasional outbreak, particularly in areas with low vaccination rates. But it will be something school children are vaccinated against and won’t be something that requires mass shutdowns.
I imagine it will make its way onto the list of required vaccines for daycare & school children, so the proportion of the population that is vaccinated should steadily increased as the unvaccinated die off and kids are required to be vaccinated.
Travel clinics might offer boosters if we’re going to be traveling in the third world where it will tragically probably remain more common than in the developed world.
2-3 jabs plus recovery from Omicron or an earlier variant is probably pretty good.
I seem to recall seeing a news headline that said mothers convey some immunity to their children but I didn’t click the link. So, maybe some hope there.
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Why would you assume this? I’m assuming they may be protected from spreading it for 3-6 months… but I am not assuming we have long term immunity to this thing in terms of catching and spreading it.
Seems second cases / cases after full vaccination are less severe, but plenty of triple vaxxed people caught and spread Omicron. Why wouldn’t they do it again in a year?
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Well I guess time will tell how long the natural immunity lasts. But if 80% of the population has had Omicron then we are probably looking at more like 99-95% who will have had it by the time March or April rolls around, at which point there will be a short-term shortage of hosts.
I guess if triple vax + recovered immunity doesn’t last more than a few months then things are going to be much worse than I am hoping.
I think we are undercounting… but 80% seems high imo
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Also - if severity is reduced but spread is intact, then the risk is essentially mitigated on a societal level (not individual, but that will never happen)
Not true. My son who had Covid, is vaxxed, and is boosted caught Covid. Then while we are all quarantining gave it to me and my wife who are vaxxed and boosted and my daughter who is vaxxed but not yet boosted. So not sure any of this stuff is really doing anything as much as it is being portrayed to be doing.
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At some point we need to move away from an expectation that vaccines and/or recovered are going to provide sterilizing immunity. What we need to achieve is a herd “immunity” level that reduces the significance of COVID to that of any other coronavirus. We may be very close to that after Omicron. There could still be severe cases for those who are unvaccinated and have never been exposed, but those should diminish as it becomes a long term endemic virus.
Most kids get exposed to other coronaviruses pretty early in school, and kids do much better with COVID than adults, so the real question is how does COVID for a 6 year old compare to other coronaviruses. I don’t think we can answer that this early in a pandemic because the average 6 year old with another coronaviruses could have had it previously at an even younger age, and already have some immunity to a more severe case. We do know it is only rarely severe for young kids (RSV is probably worse). Vaccinating 5 year-olds has a broader benefit when a virus is new to an entire population where older adults are more affected, but it may not really be needed longer term.
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Sounds more like you didn’t really quarantine your son from the rest of your family.
On the bright side, seems you all recovered and are still living. Others can’t say the same for their relatives.
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This would be an extremely harsh punishment for a sick child imo. I would call it bad parenting.
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True, but when near a sick child with a transmittable virus variant that no one in the house has yet had, one should take the proper precautions when interacting with him.
That’s not the message from the officials Dr T. Vaxxed boosted and recovered should not spread the virus. Just like Twig said.
Also, I have already stated I don’t really care if I get it. I wasn’t worried about it. It’s not a big deal. Very minor cold like symptoms with one day of fever. Which is what everyone who is vaxxed and boosted should expect which is why continued mandates are stupid. Just stay home if you’re sick. We don’t need mandates for that because the people who care do it anyway and the people don’t care don’t follow the mandates.
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Since when do you listen to those quacks, or twig? I’m the only dr you need.
WARNING: not a real doctor. Do not listen!
I think the benefit to your family was a less severe case of Covid. Impossible to truly know, as our life only goes down one path. Aggregate statistics do show much less severity among the vaccinated.
Right but Vaccination mandates rely on the assumption that vaccines cause less spread of the virus. There is no reason to mandate anything for only less severity of a case because then it is a personal choice of risk.
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People like Lucy’s mom? This is so incredibly insensitive, Nick.