There is no guarantee whatsoever that there are no long term side effects. The immune response from Covid and these vaccines makes blood clotting more likely so we are basically giving ourself a blood clot risk every vaccination. Yes it is substantially lower than from the virus but for children that difference in risk is smaller as the vaccine carries more risk of clots than for adults and the virus carries less risk of clots for them than adults. I think too many people are treating these vaccines as 0 risk and that is not true.
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Yeah, no draft. I am against war. I’m not sure what you’re digging at here. I am very rarely going to go fight a war whether I get drafted or not. I will just leave the country. America is not that important to me.
To add to this thought I might add in 2 years I have been infected with Covid once and been vaccinated 3 times so maybe the quantity of each that I am going to be exposed to should be considered here too.
so you’re against vaccine mandates, but you have been vaccinated to the fullest extent yourself? you must have determined for yourself that the risk of the vaccine is lower than the risk of the virus if you went and got vaccinated.
The U.S. government seems to have a very loose definition of what’s their business. Just because you’re against it, doesn’t mean that the U.S. government thinks that it’s there business. Your say is likely around 1/~328 millionth.
My say is pretty much 0 as I’m not an American and I’m happy to be out of the country after two stints there. You guys seem to have gone nuts.
Also to give a gigantic frowny face to the vaccine they were all 3 prior to my infection with the virus they were supposed to stop.
If you thought vaccination was 100% guaranteed to not get COVID, you weren’t paying attention.
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Just pointing out that we are nowhere near the effectiveness I would want to even discuss a national mandate.
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Even if a foreign state attacked one of the 50 states?
I say this as someone who leans right.
These people are just flat out wrong.
Broadly speaking, I don’t think people are that locally minded.
Beside transferring patients, hospitals share revenue streams, ventilators, staff, ownership, and political clout. That is hospital systems tend to act together. And when they are completely overwhelmed, as in the state of Illinois, they pull whatever levers are available. I don’t know if they reached out to local health departments, but it seems obvious they would reach out to the governor. And that the governor would do what he can.
I think you are making a good argument that this is beyond the governor’s power. I don’t really know what is within a governor’s power (or a president’s power, a local health-department’s power). But I think you should try to appreciate that the people involved are basically doing what they can. Maybe you already do? But it feels like you’re asking more than a legal question here.
Maybe you could talk more about your personal experience with a hospital that’s not overwhelmed? You mention some place in Kansas. Kansas called in the National Guard today. I don’t see any specific local hospitalization data, but I do see news that rural hospitals in Kansas are having trouble because they need to transfer patients to urban ICUs. But maybe you have some more on-the-ground information there?
Generally speaking, I think rural areas are doing worse, because Omicron is infecting literally everybody, so ICU/Death/Hospitalizations mirror vaccine rates.
I appreciate the fact that my governor is doing what he can. That’s the troubling part.
I think it helps to remember that the battle between local and state government is mostly philosophical. It’s like asking if my Boss, my Department, or my CEO should decide whether we have a fridge in the hallway. It’s a good question, with right and wrong answers, but it’s not worth having big feelings about.
Agree with this btw. The US is such a mess right now with the Big Lie, we should be prioritizing stability.
If the US didn’t hate itself, it would be more reasonable.
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Having a fridge in the hallway is analogous to mandating all children having to wear masks until some group of adults aren’t nervous anymore…?
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Lol, I dunno, yeah it was a bad analogy.
Point is:
How decisions are made, who makes them, who should make them, etc. Are distinct from the decision itself.
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Ah I see, and I sort of agree… except that in many ways the person/group who has the right to make the decision should be linked with the decision itself. For example I’ll be more pissed about being mandated to do something I disagree with the less local that government body is.
It all comes back to Federalism.
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Equivalently:
Don’t hate the playa, hate the game.
Sure, and I want to make sure the games I care about are played by people whose fates are very closely tied to mine.
I think the school masking is a good example of it. I believe my town has decided it (although they probably feel the need to follow some state protocols). I disagree with the decision but I’m not overly pissed off about it (although do advocate we do differently). I’d be really pissed off if it was mandated by the governor or worse by the POTUS.
Actually I think it might be mandated by Murphy in some form. Glad I didn’t vote for him…
" Gov. Phil Murphy expressed optimism Thursday that he could still drop New Jersey’s school mask mandate before the end of the school year despite recently declaring another health emergency in part to keep face coverings as a requirement for students and staff."
What a farce that it’s up to his whim