# Transgender trends and politics in the US **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [May 8, 2023, 11:45am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876 "2023-05-08T11:45:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:53am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/105 "2023-06-07T03:53:24Z")
Moderating: > [@Klaymen](#): > > Persons with transsexualism… That looked like a quote, but it’s not. You’ve written your own summary. And you’ve inserted a term which many find offensive, “transsexualism”. The article uses the terms trans gender and gender diverse, which are more appropriate. When you are talking about emotionally charged issues that you don’t know a lot about, it’s best to stick with the language others use. Please do so for this topic going forwards. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![magillaG](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@magillaG](https://community.goactuary.com/u/magillaG)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 4:21am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/106 "2023-06-07T04:21:10Z")
> [@Klaymen](#): > > I just wonder if we don’t realize the general long-term implications of permanent transgender decisions. Suppose a study found that orphans in foster care, or who are adopted, are less likely to graduate from high school than non orphans. Would you lay blame on the foster care or adoption, and conclude that we should just leave the orphans on the street? Or would you blame it on their additional vulnerability as children who lost their parents, and instead conclude they need additional protections? ---
**Author:** ![Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/triweasel/32/159_2.png) [@Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Triweasel)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 4:36am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/107 "2023-06-07T04:36:36Z")
> [@Klaymen](#): > > What percentage of the population is jumping on the bandwagon and making a short-sighted decision. I’d hazard a guess of approximately 0.0000% This is not some snap decision that people make impulsively. ---
**Author:** ![Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/triweasel/32/159_2.png) [@Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Triweasel)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 4:40am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/108 "2023-06-07T04:40:36Z")
> [@Klaymen](#): > > Even though I personally am not pro-LGBTQ I would still treat people with respect. Not sure I agree with this statement. ---
**Author:** ![now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/now_samantha/32/24815_2.png) [@now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/u/now_samantha)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 10:53am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/109 "2023-06-07T10:53:54Z")
It’s non-zero, but no one is willing to study detransitioners out of fear that their research can be misrepresented by anti-trans politicians. It is known that gender confirming surgeries have the lowest rate of regret of any elective surgery (0.3% in [one study](https://www.gendergp.com/new-study-confirms-regret-rates-of-gender-affirming-surgery-are-non-existent/), vs 6-30% for knee replacement surgery, and knee replacements tends to do better than weight loss surgeries) I’ve seen estimates that of people who do only hormones, on the order of 80% stay on them, 18-19% come off b/c of family pressure, and 1-2% detransition out of actual personal regret. ---
**Author:** ![now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/now_samantha/32/24815_2.png) [@now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/u/now_samantha)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 10:58am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/110 "2023-06-07T10:58:42Z")
> [@Klaymen](#): > > > [@JFG](#): > > > > Can you expand on the definition of this? > > Can you? I was up late the other night at an LGBTQ+ meeting, discussing the agenda for global domination. The topics discussed were: 1. Should you use waterproof makeup or are the chemicals in it toxic? 2. Sticking with makeup, there was a discussion of why primer matters. 3. Cats, just how cute are they? 4. What type of microphone was someone using to record their music? 5. Is anyone free the next day to help someone move? Better watch out. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 11:36am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/111 "2023-06-07T11:36:40Z")
And “detransitioned” doesn’t automatically mean the transition was a mistake. I know someone who detransitioned. At least, they decided they weren’t male but non-binary, and had laser removal of all the hair that grew in when they had been on testosterone. I don’t think they regretted having medically transitioned. I think they felt it was a step on the road to progress. ---
**Author:** ![Klaymen](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/klaymen/32/194_2.png) [@Klaymen](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Klaymen)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/112 "2023-06-07T13:49:06Z")
> [@Lucy](#): > > That looked like a quote, but it’s not. You’ve written your own summary. Excuse me, I did no such thing. That is the exact wording of the conclusion of the article. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21364939/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21364939/) It would have been easy enough to google the phrase and find out rather than accuse me. 😠 ---
**Author:** ![SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/stevegrondin/32/3257_2.png) [@SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SteveGrondin)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 1:55pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/113 "2023-06-07T13:55:47Z")
So in your original.post you cited a different article than the one you quoted. Easy misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/stevegrondin/32/3257_2.png) [@SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SteveGrondin)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/114 "2023-06-07T13:59:11Z")
And perhaps the terminology has changed. Lonliness article was published 2023. Surgery follow-up published 2011. ---
**Author:** ![Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/triweasel/32/159_2.png) [@Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Triweasel)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 2:19pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/115 "2023-06-07T14:19:20Z")
Good info. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/116 "2023-06-07T15:41:11Z")
Moderating: > [@Klaymen](#): > > Excuse me, I did no such thing. That is the exact wording of the conclusion of the article. I read the article you linked. > [@SteveGrondin](#): > > So in your original.post you cited a different article than the one you quoted. Easy misunderstanding. Ah, I was supposed to figure that out? Also, thanks, @SteveGrondin Yeah, in 2011 “transsexualism” was still somewhat commonly used. It really isn’t any longer, not in publications and chat sites that aim to be polite to the people you are describing. My mod note stands. I am asking you as a mod to stop using that word, and also recommending to you, as a human being, that when you talk about emotionally charged subjects that you don’t know much about you should be very careful with your language. ---
**Author:** ![SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/stevegrondin/32/3257_2.png) [@SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SteveGrondin)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:47pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/117 "2023-06-07T15:47:16Z")
> [@Lucy](#): > > Ah, I was supposed to figure that out? No, only in hindsight when i read second article Klaymen posted. I was also confused by not finding the quote in the cited article. It did seem out of character for K to make stuff up, and his surprise at your accusation makes sense given what he thought he posted, but he could also see your moderation made sense given what he actually posted. ---
**Author:** ![SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/srednivashtar/32/2894_2.png) [@SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SredniVashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/118 "2023-06-07T15:52:15Z")
Yeah, I’m a little confused. Klayman did you mean to post both studies? Anyway, they both suffer from the same issue-- no experimental control. And I’m glad you came to us with the question rather than just assume it was meaningful. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/119 "2023-06-07T15:52:31Z")
It certainly didn’t sound like his “voice”, which is why I thought it was a quote, and was surprised to see it was very different from anything in the article he cited. ---
**Author:** ![SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/stevegrondin/32/3257_2.png) [@SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SteveGrondin)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/120 "2023-06-07T15:54:06Z")
> [@Lucy](#): > > when you talk about emotionally charged subjects that you don’t know much about you should be very careful with your language. I think most people are familiar with long past psychological/medical literature terms for cognitive impairment being no longer considered polite, but the term you mentioned falling out of favor is much newer. It is certainly fine to insist on non-pejorative terms being used, but also an opportunity for education. It certainly sounded more medical than slang alternatives at least. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/121 "2023-06-07T15:54:59Z")
> [@SredniVashtar](#): > > Yeah, I’m a little confused. Klayman did you mean to post both studies? > > Anyway, they both suffer from the same issue-- no experimental control. And I’m glad you came to us with the question rather than just assume it was meaningful. Unfortunately for research, it’s the sort of thing where you can’t ethically do a controlled study. Hey person with gender disphoria/cancer/heart disease: we are going to randomly assign you to either get a treatment that we think will help, or to do nothing. Then follow you for 5 years and see if you are still alive. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/122 "2023-06-07T15:56:19Z")
> [@SteveGrondin](#): > > an opportunity for education. That was my intention with that mod note. It wasn’t a formal warning or anything. ---
**Author:** ![SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/srednivashtar/32/2894_2.png) [@SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SredniVashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/123 "2023-06-07T15:56:41Z")
> [@Lucy](#): > > Unfortunately for research, it’s the sort of thing where you can’t ethically do a controlled study. Hey person with gender disphoria/cancer/heart disease: we are going to randomly assign you to either get a treatment that we think will help, or to do nothing. Then follow you for 5 years and see if you are still alive. Yeah, I wish we did anyway. I want more science! ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876/124 "2023-06-07T16:20:14Z")
Yeah, the suicide rates of untreated people with gender disphoria are so high that it would be crazy unethical to do that. I suppose the sort of study you could do would be to have one branch do sex reassignment and the other do something that you realistically hoped would do as much good, and do informed consent up the wazoo. I’m not sure what might qualify for that other branch, though. [Previous page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876.md?page=5) [Next page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/transgender-trends-and-politics-in-the-us/7876.md?page=7)