# Thread to discuss when the police kill a civilian **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [April 20, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684 "2021-04-20T17:41:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/283 "2023-08-08T20:20:54Z")
> [@Police/correctional officers behaving badly](https://community.goactuary.com/t/police-correctional-officers-behaving-badly/1604/13): > > the cop cars drive up maybe 5 seconds (at most) before the video starts and the cops are shooting at the 6 second mark Blind guessing without having looked into the context - Black boy around 11 years old holding a toy gun in his fenced-in backyard? Because I remember that video, I take longer to get out of the car than they did exiting and shooting him dead. Okay, going in now… Nope! Different one. Should have been clued in by the mother who wasn’t shot in the one I was thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/now_samantha/32/24815_2.png) [@now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/u/now_samantha)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/284 "2023-08-18T15:11:12Z")
Sometimes police face consequences for behaving badly. [https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/antioch-police-officers-arrested-by-fbi-mayor-says/](https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/antioch-police-officers-arrested-by-fbi-mayor-says/) ---
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 4:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/285 "2023-08-18T16:53:03Z")
First thought: “Wow, most of those charged are held on bail instead of paid administrative leave, I can’t believe it.” Second thought: “Oh, 45% of Antioch’s police force is on paid administrative leave for their racist texts.” ---
**Author:** ![knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/knoath/32/65607_2.png) [@knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/knoath)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/286 "2023-08-18T17:09:54Z")
The guy taking the exams impersonated four men (one with a beard) and two women. That’s impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Ted\_Hoffman](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/ted_hoffman/32/83127_2.png) [@Ted\_Hoffman](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Ted_Hoffman)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:14pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/287 "2023-10-18T17:14:32Z")
[Leonard Allan Cure, freed after wrongful conviction, shot dead in traffic stop : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206760289/leonard-allan-cure-wrongful-conviction-georgia-shooting-death) [sarc] Probably would have been safer in prison. [/sarc] ---
**Author:** ![The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_president/32/70075_2.png) [@The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_President)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/288 "2024-04-27T15:11:22Z")
[https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-cant-breathe-black-man-ohio-tells-police-before-he-died-video-shows-2024-04-26/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-cant-breathe-black-man-ohio-tells-police-before-he-died-video-shows-2024-04-26/) Just in time for a summer of protests. ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 1:38pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/289 "2024-05-10T13:38:41Z")
> **[Air Force airman killed by Florida deputies who were at wrong apartment,...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/air-force-airman-killed-florida-deputies-wrong-apartment-attorney-says-rcna151387)** > > The fatal shooting of Air Force Senior Airman Roger Fortson, 23, at his Okaloosa County home Friday is under investigation, officials said. > [@](#): > > “Concerned, he did what any other law-abiding citizen would do and retrieved his legally-owned gun, but as he was walking back to the living room, police burst through the door. When they saw the gun, they shot Roger six times,” Crump said in the statement. Bodycam video of the encounter has been released and is making the rounds. ---
**Author:** ![R\_Daneel\_Olivaw](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/r_daneel_olivaw/32/420_2.png) [@R\_Daneel\_Olivaw](https://community.goactuary.com/u/R_Daneel_Olivaw)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/290 "2024-05-10T14:09:19Z")
Yeah the bodycam also shows Crump is, as usual, full of it. The “cops” didn’t “burst” through the door and went to the apartment number they were given. The single deputy did announce himself, twice. This looks to be a tragic accident. The deputy may have been given the wrong apartment. No way to know if Fortson heard the announcements of Sherriff or not. The deputy may have been quick on the trigger. Problem with that is you have a few seconds or less to react when you see a gun if the person holding it intends to shoot you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/stevegrondin/32/3257_2.png) [@SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SteveGrondin)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 2:34pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/291 "2024-05-10T14:34:13Z")
[CNN link](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/09/us/roger-forston-florida-airman-shot/index.html) Verbiage uses passive voice regarding the door being opened (doesn’t identify who opened door). I really don’t want to watch to draw my own conclusion, but the lawyer’s initial description is misleading based on later statements. It does sound like officer went to apartment number the complainant reported, but that apartment wasn’t the source of the noise (if there was noise). Terrible result regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/292 "2024-05-10T14:35:36Z")
> **[Owning Guns Puts People in Your Home at Greater Risk of Being Killed, New...](https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/)** > > A new study shows that people living in homes with guns face substantially higher risks of being fatally assaulted. ---
**Author:** ![SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/stevegrondin/32/3257_2.png) [@SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SteveGrondin)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/293 "2024-05-10T14:37:37Z")
Any disentanglement of causation/correlation? Is there a higher gun ownership rate among poorer folks? ---
**Author:** ![R\_Daneel\_Olivaw](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/r_daneel_olivaw/32/420_2.png) [@R\_Daneel\_Olivaw](https://community.goactuary.com/u/R_Daneel_Olivaw)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/294 "2024-05-10T14:51:23Z")
There is definitely a correlation between guns in the house and criminal activity. I wonder how they controlled for that. ---
**Author:** ![JFG](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/jfg/32/8801_2.png) [@JFG](https://community.goactuary.com/u/JFG)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/295 "2024-05-10T14:51:34Z")
That was part of the study: > Finally, in measuring homicide risks, when we compared people who were living with handgun owners to people who were not, the comparisons were always made between people residing in the same neighborhood. This approach helped ensure that local conditions, like crime rates and economic conditions, had minimal impact on our calculations. > People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate of their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely by homicides at home, which were three times more common among people living with handgun owners. > We detected much larger differences for particular types of homicide. Most notably, people living with handgun owners were seven times more likely to be shot by their spouse or intimate partner. In many of these cases, instead of being protective, the household gun probably operated as the instrument of death. Notably, homicide by strangers didn’t seem to be impacted by whether or not the resident owned a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/296 "2024-05-10T15:54:59Z")
On the “homicide by strangers” line, there’s this: > [@](#): > > This result clashes with a classic narrative promulgated by gun rights groups: firearm owners use their weapon to turn away or overpower a threatening intruder, thereby protecting home and hearth. We did not detect even a hint of such protective benefits. If anything, our results suggest that cohabitants of handgun owners were _more_ likely to be killed by strangers, although that result did not reach statistical significance. I am, however, going to point out a possible flaw with drawing that conclusion: the study focused on homicides. There are documented instances where brandishing a firearm has ended attempted (mostly property) crimes. Such instances are fewer than some gun-rights advocates’ arguments would suggest, however…and then there’s the consideration of whether the existence of “good guys with guns” fuels some kind of arms race, with would-be “bad guys” seeking more/“better” weapons in response to perceptions of how armed “good guys” might be. That being said, I’m not unaware that the few times where I have actively carried, my carrying was probably to make me feel more secure, rather than objectively providing additional security, ---
**Author:** ![JFG](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/jfg/32/8801_2.png) [@JFG](https://community.goactuary.com/u/JFG)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/297 "2024-05-10T23:16:47Z")
I’m not sure if they included accidental gun deaths under homicide (e.g. toddler playing with an unsecured firearm). ---
**Author:** ![The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_president/32/70075_2.png) [@The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_President)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2024, 12:51am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/298 "2024-05-11T00:51:57Z")
There is a correlation between guns in the house and: -being shot by your spouse -being shot by your kid -shooting yourself accidentally -shooting yourself intentionally -accidentally shooting someone else -intentionally shooting someone else -several other negative outcomes that involve the discharge of a firearm Newer additions to the list: -getting shot accidentally by police showing up to the wrong address -shooting pets and writing about it years later killing your “shot” at being VP. ---
**Author:** ![Ted\_Hoffman](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/ted_hoffman/32/83127_2.png) [@Ted\_Hoffman](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Ted_Hoffman)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2024, 4:56am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/299 "2024-07-27T04:56:50Z")
We’re horribly late here, but … > **[What we know about the deputy charged with killing Sonya Massey in her home...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/24/us/sean-grayson-illinois-police-officer-shooting-sonya-massey/index.html)** > > The Illinois deputy charged with fatally shooting Sonya Massey, a 36-year-old Black woman who had called 911 for help, in her home earlier this month, had worked at six different law enforcement agencies in four years and was charged with drunk... Short: she called police to report a prowler outside. He showed up, she asked to go deal with a boiling pot of water, he said OK. Then he drew a gun on her and shot her in the face, then told his partner not to bother with medical treatment. Not shockingly, [there were signs of trouble well before this](https://capitolnewsillinois.com/news/graysons-behavior-in-logan-county-led-superior-to-ask-how-are-you-still-employed-with-us). If only there had been warnings signs … > [@](#): > > Logan County Chief Deputy Nathan Miller wrote in a November 2022 report that Grayson needed “extensive” training after failing to listen to his superiors. He wrote Grayson needed field training, along with “additional traffic stop training, report writing training, high-stress decision making process classes, and needs to read, discuss and understand issued Logan County Sheriff’s Department policies.” > > “Seven months on. How are you still employed by us?” Miller asked Grayson during a recorded meeting to discuss Grayson’s actions. > > “I don’t know,” Grayson responded. Any kind of a sign … anything … > [@](#): > > Grayson had been at the Logan County Sheriff’s Department for just over four months in 2022 when he continued a pursuit after his superiors ordered him to terminate. He was on probation and working the midnight shift when he attempted to stop a truck that failed to signal a turn, but the driver kept going. > > Miller noted Grayson pursued the truck through Lincoln at high speeds and without due caution going through intersections. Miller noted Grayson’s squad car was traveling faster than 60 mph in 30 mph zones. In squad car video obtained by Capitol News Illinois, Grayson’s supervisor on duty asks if he is chasing the truck on a traffic violation and Grayson says he is. The supervisor tells Grayson to terminate the pursuit. > > Instead of slowing down, Grayson turned off his emergency lights and siren and continued at speeds more than a 100 mph “to keep the truck in sight,” he wrote in his report. The pursuit ended when a deer collided with Grayson’s vehicle, rendering it inoperable. And, he apparently lied about what he wrote in his report because it didn’t match his dashcam video. Any sign … anything at all. Well, until then we’ll just keep passing him to the next department and not say anything. What’s the worst that could happen? ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2024, 11:35am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/300 "2024-07-27T11:35:16Z")
The guy sounds like a moron. I’m not sure who’s the bigger dummy. Grayson or the supervisor who didn’t fire him for incompetence. Surely the supervisor should have realized the financial risk and the risk to the public they were creating by not firing a clearly incompetent officer. ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/301 "2024-08-02T23:48:04Z")
Well, we won’t have to worry about seeing police do shitty shit to American Citizens anymore: > **[New Louisiana Law Serves as a Warning to Bystanders Who Film Police: Stay...](https://www.propublica.org/article/louisiana-police-buffer-law)** > > Louisiana is the fourth state to enact a so-called police buffer law, which allows officers to order people to keep their distance. Journalists say the law will make it harder to document when police use excessive force. ---
**Author:** ![3rookie](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/3/e0b2c6/32.png) [@3rookie](https://community.goactuary.com/u/3rookie)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 1:27am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684/302 "2024-08-05T01:27:56Z")
Very biased article. [Previous page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684.md?page=14) [Next page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/thread-to-discuss-when-the-police-kill-a-civilian/2684.md?page=16)