There’s no way this will end well. I think for the most part, the Iranian people want their country to be an Islamic republic, which is clear to me since they were willing to go through an entire revolution to get it installed in the first place.
I think, it’s best to let them be and to stop interfering with their self-determination. Continued meddling will only amplify their hatred for the west.
I think that was more of a response to the Shah that the US forced on them.
Probably. And of course the best way to overcome that was to attempt repeatedly to isolate Iran from the West and give people there more and more reasons to fucking hate our guts.
Legit shocked that after 45 years, it didn’t work. Oh, sure, there were the few attempts by Iranians to get more freedoms outside of the ruling religious setup, but … those were dirty goddamn Iranians, fuck those bastards. Just like any time someone wants to rise up and get more freedom, more democracy against some country that’s religiously oppressive but is an ally of ours … those are dirty ungrateful bastards, fuck those people, we’ve got repressive allies to protect.
I lived with an Iranian woman for several years and have met several other Iranians over the years. Her parents moved to the US and she loved visiting there. They didn’t hate the freedoms in the US. I get the impression the Shah wasn’t a particularly good person.
I’m not so sure. There have been plenty of protests against the government around the Islamic policies, specifically in how they treat women.
A good comparison might be Russia - the Tsar was terrible, and people demanded a change. They ended up with communism. After a while, they realized that communism was equally bad, if not worse.
The Shah in Iran was terrible. That leads people to want change. Doesn’t mean that currently they still want the Islamic Republic. It’s been over 45 years since the Ayatollah took over, opinions aren’t the same as they were back then.
I could easily believe that Iranians want an “Islamic Republic”, but that many of them are chafing under the Ayatollah’s autocracy they’ve come to have.
Iranians are a particularly wonderful people. I hope they can get the government that fits well with their collective desires/interests.
The whole situation is back-firing on Israel and Bibi because by attacking Tehran directly and killing many civilians, they have actually unified the population against them, insteading of focusing on the more extremist elements.
Just stupid. Bibi is desperate now for US support because he knows full well he cannot keep the conflict going (does not have the necessary ordnance and weaponry) and he also needs the US GBU-57 bunker busters (which Israel also does not have and cannot deliver via any aerial assets).
Bibi just managed to get the entire ME to turn on Israel for no other reason than to save his own skin.
Laughable really. And the US knows this full well as they just looked into the can Iran develop a nuclear weapon again with the answer being no again.
Where do you get these ideas from? Jordan, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia are backing Israel.
Israel is perfectly capable. They knocked out Iran’s air defenses on day 1, most of them within a matter of hours. They have complete air superiority. The number of missiles launched by Iran has decreased drastically. Today, Israel hacked their financial network and took away their crypto funds. US involvement would definitely shorten the war, but I don’t think it’s necessary.
A huge part of the Iranian public supports Israel, and wants to see the regime overthrown. It’s a matter of time until this happens, and then there may actually be peace in the Middle East - without Iranian support, Hamas, Hezbollah, and many other terror groups will fall apart.
Stop reading your biased right-wing sources is my advise.
You have no experience with Iranians or Iran and as usual you go off to the races with conclusions that have no basis in reality.
By attacking Tehran directly and killing many civilians, the small amount of goodwill Israel had with reformists and dissidents has evaporated.
You cannot have misread the situation on the ground more.
Things like this are sure to get all the Arabs in the Middle East to back Israel. Who knows, kill enough of them and maybe Arabs will greet the Israelis as liberators.
We should go all-in and accuse them of having WMDs - chemical and biological - just for old time’s sake.
I forget: how long ago did BiBi make that assessment?
2012 I think? Also TIL he is left handed.
Israel’s initial attacks had delayed by a few months Iran’s ability to “break out”, or make a functioning nuclear weapon, an Israeli military official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
But US intelligence officials believe Tehran was up to three years away from being able to deliver a weapon and not actively pursuing a bomb, CNN reported on Tuesday – which would make that delay relatively inconsequential.
Sadly, a country attacking another country under false pretences is the norm rather than the exception.
We are missing something. If theyre not actually on the verge of a weapon, then whats the trigger for.all this? Not just ‘bibi bad’. There would be something specific.
I think the “something specific” is that Israel thinks this is their first shot at achieving ethnic cleansing in Gaza. They’re getting closer than ever. If they can keep Iran occupied, ideally with the US backing it, they can remove/eliminate the remaining Gaza residents while the world hopes to avoid greater contagion.
Israel’s military is currently mobilized, and Israel’s government has had success in taking down Iran’s proxies. If they’re going to make more use of those resources, better to do so now than go through the process of demobilizing and remobilizing.
The US was about to start negotiations with Iran that had a slight chance of developing into a deal, that would have earned Iran good graces and time and cover to rebuild its proxies.
By attacking Iran now, Israel has completely derailed those potential negotiations. They are causing Iran to deplete resources that it could have used to rebuild its proxies.
And they’ve set up the US to potentially join in on bombing Iran (“hey, look, there’s this juicy target that we can’t tackle that we know is really tempting to you…and Iran’s ability to defend against an aerial attack has been mostly neutralized”), which would further postpone any normalization of relations, potentially reverse the geopolitical drift of the US away from Israel, and (I assume) boost BiBi’s standing with Israel’s right wing which I assume helps him in domestic politics (?).
It’s really too good of an opportunity for BiBi to pass up.
