The Big 2 Spending Bills

I assume she wants to be re-elected in her purple-leaning-red state in 2024. What Democrats from other states want is not a priority.
What do Democrats in HER state want? I can only assume that they want her to be re-elected as well, instead of some Trumpite Fascist. And they need purple GOP’s help.

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It may be purple but I’m not sure it’s red leaning anymore.
President - Went for Biden (even the cyber ninga fraudit found more votes for sleepy joe!)
US Senate - 2 Democrats
House of Representatives 5 Democrats, 4 Republicans.

That seems more like a blue leaning purple state than a red one.

That’s one election. That doesn’t make a “lean.” It could quickly go back the other way, 'cause Maverick!

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538 had a good article about Sinema.

I agree with @dr_t_non-fan as far as the status of AZ. Remember, the same R lost both Senate seats to the D’s. They might do better with someone else. I mean if she had lost the same seat twice and someone else lost the open seat then I could understand. But come on?

It will be interesting to see how much further blue AZ goes in 2022. The state legislature is still has a very slim R majority. Once it flips blue then I’ll give you the purple leans blue. Right now I still say it is purple leans very slightly red.

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This right here is what is wrong with politics these days. $400,000 in donations, he owns a couple million dollars of coal and energy stocks in his personal accounts. How can he possibly be unbiased?

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hard to vote for clean energy when coal companies funded your campaign.

this is a shame, but unfortunately not limited to this single case.

Doesn’t his position have a pretty consistent alignment with his constituents as well?

From a quick google search:

The Traditional Energy sector in West Virginia is 6.0 percent of total state employment (compared to 2.3 percent of national employment).

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I think that is fine. I understand that. The $ connections to himself are the problem.

these bills moving before Oct 31?

latest info was POTUS lowered the price to 2T, but unknown if progressive wing is behind it. Also clear that even the lower $ tag has not pulled our favorite 2 Dem sens over yet.

Still just looks like Manchin/Sinema are intentionally delaying trying to force the BIB so they can bail on the wellfare bill.

I wish R’s would stop loving this and make a move here. If R house members would get behind the BIB, it could pass the house. At which time, the wellfare bill would be dead. This R strategy of ‘go for broke’ hoping for a Dem implosion is too aggressive imo. We made them look foolish, we can kill the big bill, take the compromise and pass the BIB.

But, “make the other side look foolish” beats “good public policy” every time.

just guaranteeing that Dems will do the same to us on the other side of the coin.

I feel like Rs had a chance to play nice for like 1 second on this. what am I smoking that I thought it had a chance.

https://www.axios.com/manchin-sanders-reconciliation-fight-789c8441-fa49-404f-9d36-4adaa8e1d908.html

  • He said Manchin continued, “This will contribute to inflation. We’ve already passed the American Rescue Plan. We should just pass the infrastructure bill and, you know, pause for six months.”

I remember that Trump carried West Virginia by 39 points. I think Manchin’s position is pretty predictable.

Isn’t the house dems tying them together. So even if some house R’s got behind it, the D’s just wouldn’t let it advance.

I’m not seeing this passing at all. It’s going to be up to somebody to take the high road and pass the bipartisan bill though.

only a subset of house dems are holding it up. Maybe 60? Rs (in total) outnumber the Dem progressive wing considerably. If Rs actually wanted to pass, they have the votes to do so.

Their unwillingness to pass it says very clearly: ‘we never intended to allow this to pass. we only split the bill and created this BIB as a way to throw a wrench into the Dem plans. our true goal is to sink both, then save face by claiming we passed the BIB in the senate and it was the Dems that held off a vote to finish the deal.’

Plan is working well so far. R’s seem to have correctly calculated that Dem factions would fight over the BIB and the BBB bills.

tldr: obstructionist minority strategy is annoying.

Only if you think things need to change. Many don’t. I would rather the government do nothing than the wrong thing. I think the Bipartisan is about 1/2 ok. I think the other one is lower than that. Not sure how much will be left when it’s finished. My take on what I am reading is that climate change spending which is needed might be on the chopping block so it might get worse as it gets smaller.

I believe things need to change slowly over time, which requires a little flexibility from the parties to cross the aisle.

By obstructing the other party 100%, we are just guaranteeing they do the same to us again, and again, and again. Such that we dont get manageable incremental change that amounts to something long term. Instead, we get one party with JUST enough power to make large overhauls and they go balls to the wall to do that. The result is they actually shove way too much through at once and society is not really ready to accept those changes.

So dems will overplay their hand by going extreme, scare the shit out of the population, and then give all their power back to Rs. Then Rs will say ‘hold my beer, Ill show you extreme’. rinse and repeat So we end up standing still for long periods of time, only jumping to extremes when we do. Just to take 10 steps forward and 20 steps back.

These is a real chance Rs take the house and impeach Biden 25 times in 2023/24.

So the current problem is that the Dem’s are split to the point that even when they have a chance to pass something they can’t? I don’t think the R’s had that problem when they had majorities in both houses of Congress along with the WH.

And I don’t think the R’s will have that problem when they get that power back in 2024 either. The D’s will simply squander their chance for something while the R’s make the compromises required to get something even if not all of what they want.

Fortunately for us (IMO), they did have that problem on one big bill.
The Rs lost three Senators and failed on one of their signature issues – ACA repeal.

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True, I forgot about that.

They did manage to get some stuff passed, though. Seems like it was not as bad as what we have seen with the Dems. Though they weren’t trying to expand things so wildly either.