# The Attempted Coup of the United States of America **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [December 10, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474 "2020-12-10T00:09:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/991 "2023-09-08T19:39:40Z")
A friend of mine posted this on FB. The optimal choice was to take a plea. ![Screenshot_20230908_203702_Facebook](https://community.goactuary.com/uploads/default/original/3X/6/4/643ad0dd4d4d18a933bc54f4a831b65cffa0e5b9.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/knoath/32/65607_2.png) [@knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/knoath)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/992 "2023-09-08T20:46:48Z")
I wonder what the last possible moment was for Tarrio to take the plea? Was there enough time to apply some actuarial methods based on the others’ experience? ---
**Author:** ![tommie.frazier](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@tommie.frazier](https://community.goactuary.com/u/tommie.frazier)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:51pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/993 "2023-09-08T21:51:22Z")
they were tried together. so they had to agree before the trial. only the sentencing phase was split out IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/stevegrondin/32/3257_2.png) [@SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SteveGrondin)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/994 "2023-09-08T22:03:16Z")
Application of the 14th probably deserves its own thread. I’d be curious as to what originalist legal philosophy would say. Since 14th was post civil war, would how the immediate application (was there anyone who tired to run but was denied, or did they even bother?) factor into its interpretation? I generally don’t like rights removed without due process, but what “due process” means in practice, I am no expert. ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/995 "2023-09-08T22:16:34Z")
> **[Official removed from office under 14th Amendment speaks out as Trump case looms](https://abcnews.com/Politics/trump-faces-14th-amendment-suits-cuoy-griffin-speaks/story?id=103009491)** > > Former Otero County, New Mexico, Commissioner Couy Griffin was disqualified under the 14th Amendment's Section 3 in 2022 -- and that argument is being used against Trump Despite this being a current article, it looks like this is not new news; just ABC pushing the story due to the efforts to disqualify Trump from ballot access. > [@](#): > > Griffin’s Section 3 case was a bench trial decided by a state judge and he has since twice appealed to the New Mexico Supreme Court, to no avail. Griffin was convicted of trespassing at the U.S. Capitol two years ago, though he said he did not enter the building with the mob. He was found not guilty of a disorderly conduct charge. ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/996 "2023-09-09T02:12:37Z")
OBNA? ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 11:03am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/997 "2023-09-09T11:03:17Z")
But he was convicted, even if only trespass (during an insurrection). Trump hasn’t been convicted of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 12:18pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/998 "2023-09-09T12:18:47Z")
Correct. This is why I expect the attempts to disqualify Trump under Section 3 will fail (or at least won’t succeed before primary ballots are printed). Now, if he’s convicted on the January 6 charges after getting the nomination, but before voting starts for the general election (or before inauguration day, if elected)…that’d be a big mess. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 12:26pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/999 "2023-09-09T12:26:08Z")
Yeah. I think if he’s convicted there’s a strong case that he’s not qualified to be president. I don’t know what happens if someone is in the middle of the process and becomes ineligible. I suppose that’s never happened. ---
**Author:** ![SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/stevegrondin/32/3257_2.png) [@SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SteveGrondin)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 1:19pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1000 "2023-09-09T13:19:30Z")
If it was consistent with other offices, the party would decide if before election. After the election, before house declares winner, house would decide. After house decides, before inauguration, maybe vice president takes pres office. Just my best guesses. ---
**Author:** ![soyleche](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/soyleche/32/42_2.png) [@soyleche](https://community.goactuary.com/u/soyleche)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 1:20pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1001 "2023-09-09T13:20:49Z")
> [@Lucy](#): > > I suppose that’s never happened. Well, that’s one of the things that shows up in the “The decline of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_” part of the story. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 1:24pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1002 "2023-09-09T13:24:14Z")
> [@SteveGrondin](#): > > After the election, before house declares winner, house would decide. The House of Representatives? Are you talking about a scenario where no one gets 270 EVs? Even in that scenario, the House is restricted to picking among the top 3 EV getters. Otherwise I’m not sure why the House would get any say at all. ---
**Author:** ![SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/stevegrondin/32/3257_2.png) [@SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SteveGrondin)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1003 "2023-09-09T13:27:01Z")
Guessing at what would happen if winner of 270+ electoral votes was disqualified due to 14th amendment becore the electoral votes were certified. Uktimately it would go to scotus to decide proper.procedure. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 1:56pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1004 "2023-09-09T13:56:20Z")
But how/why does the House fit in to that scenario? ---
**Author:** ![NumericalNeuroticism](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/numericalneuroticism/32/464_2.png) [@NumericalNeuroticism](https://community.goactuary.com/u/NumericalNeuroticism)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1005 "2023-09-09T14:16:40Z")
After the election, the EC could decide, probably for VPOTUS-elect. The House could possibly decide to throw it to someone who got faithless elector votes, but that might not work if the leader has 270+. Barring votes in the joint session to disallow enough EVs, I assume SCOTUS would pave the way for VPOTUS to auto-ascend on Jan 20. I’m trying to think of it in a similar way to finding out at diff points that a POTUS-elect is only 30yo, and I feel like the above holds for both scenarios. ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1006 "2023-09-09T14:53:44Z")
> [@SteveGrondin](#): > > maybe vice president takes pres office. Just my best guesses. President Ramaswamy, assuming that his campaign is about being tapped as running mate, and that those efforts are successful? ---
**Author:** ![SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/stevegrondin/32/3257_2.png) [@SteveGrondin](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SteveGrondin)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1007 "2023-09-09T15:11:33Z")
> [@twig93](#): > > But how/why does the House fit in to that scenario? > [@NumericalNeuroticism](#): > > After the election, the EC could decide, probably for VPOTUS-elect Sorry, I was conflating the EC with the House. The electors would make the decision, most likely elevating the VP on the ticket. To do otherwise would probably subject them to faithless elector laws from their home state. What the House does after that is a good question. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1008 "2023-09-09T15:27:42Z")
I don’t understand why the House has any say whatsoever… unless no one gets to 270. I would think it would be similar to a candidate dying… namely… up to the political parties up until the conventions and up to the electors after the conventions. If it was after the EC met then the VPOTUS candidate would simply take over on Inauguration Day and appoint a successor VPOTUS to be confirmed by both chambers of congress. Less clear is if the candidate doesn’t meet the requirements to be on the ballot, or if that is in dispute, but I still think at whatever point it’s decided that the candidate is ineligible it would go as above. ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 12:34pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1009 "2023-09-16T12:34:57Z")
This is an odd one > **[A Jan. 6 rioter was convicted and sentenced in secret. No one will say why](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot-secret-sentencing-3c4ffcc5ebeaff6fd6aa279d0ce888ad)** > > A felony case stemming from the U.S. Capitol riot appears to have been resolved in secret, with the man released from federal custody this week despite no public record of a conviction or sentencing. ---
**Author:** ![PatientZombie](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/patientzombie/32/391_2.png) [@PatientZombie](https://community.goactuary.com/u/PatientZombie)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 12:59pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/the-attempted-coup-of-the-united-states-of-america/1474/1010 "2023-09-16T12:59:04Z")
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