Look I know I just smoked some pot, but in fact, I am having a hard time reading these sentences without adding “, MANNNNNN.”
I only travel along geodesics, mannnn
There were people taking driving tests in automatic cars in 2008?
The automatic transmission has been more popular than a manual transmission in the US sine the 80s. Why does it surprise you that people were taking their driving test with an automatic in 2008?
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In that case, less than 33% of people were taking their tests in automatics in 2008?
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The article is presumably about the UK (given BBC source) which has a different opinion.
As recently as 2016, manuals comprised 65% of sales, even though the trend toward automatics began slowly building in 2010. Before that, manuals regularly held around 85% of the market. That’s a big difference from the United States, where cars with gear shifts made up just 2.4% of sales last year.
Interesting. I had considered that they were talking about transmissions and dismissed it because the numbers sounded ridiculous. I assumed “automatic” was how the British said “self driving”.
There was this quote from y our original article which made me assume transmission
President of the AA Edmund King says it’s because young people want to drive electric cars, which are automatic.
My car chirps at me any time I cross the center line on the street or cross a lane line without my turn signal being on.
This morning on my under-5-mile drive to work it chirped at me 4 separate times.
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Crossed the center line to get around a school bus after the driver waved me around.
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Crossed the center line to get around a cherry picker where workers were doing something to an electric line.
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Crossed the center line to get around a garbage truck.
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Crossed a center line to get around an Amazon delivery truck parked in a no parking zone on the street.
I’m curious with where AV is at currently, how it would handle each of those situations.
Two weeks out from FSD!
Is autonomous driving a case of ‘chasing the nines?’ Like, it’s easy-ish to get things right 99% of the time. But a 1% error rate is no bueno.
And getting from 99% to 99.9% is really hard, because the 0.9% is edge cases. It’s a lot of exception handling.
And 99.9% isn’t great, you need to get to 99.99%, etc etc. You really need like 99.999999% and that involves figuring out how to deal with some really odd scenarios.
On the other hand, if a teenager can drive, feels like we should be able to do this.
All I know is, at least for now, I’m not planning on using autopilot much when I get my Tesla.
Yeah, I said either earlier in this thread or maybe in the AO thread (thanks DWS) that it’s like the 80/20 rule on steroids because it’s more like the 95/5 rule.
That is, when you have an AV that works 95% of the time, you’re not 95% finished with the development, you’re at best 5% finished. Because the remaining issues are a lot harder to solve.
The stuff I dealt with this morning is easy for a human being to figure out, even a teenager with a low IQ. But it’s hard to program an AV to distinguish between the bus driver waving you around vs a random driver flipping you off.
Hard to program an AV to obey a DOT flagger or know to drive around certain stopped vehicles. I’m curious if there’s been ANY progress with these issues.
And you might be right in that it’s more like 99/1 or even 99.9 / 0.1.
We have certainly not achieved Level 5 automation if the vehicle only works correctly 99.9% of the time. That’s nowhere near good enough.
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At some point, it’ll have to be a leap of faith on the public’s part. Because the cars can only improve when mistakes happen. And we need a LOT of data. So yes, the more mistakes now mean the fewer mistakes later, and the faster that day comes.
I’m perfectly comfortable with AV being 99.9% successful. Does unsuccessful mean death? Or just it didn’t perform what you want it to do.
Either case, still better than their human counterparts.
Currently, you’re supposed to (and I know that’s a loaded phrase) pay attention and intervene if the car is trying to kill you. Hopefully that creates feedback enough for the developers. ‘Hey, the car tried going left but the driver overrode that, let’s look at that camera footage.’
At some point I hope we get to AV that is safer than the average human, but I don’t think we are there yet.
I was chatting with a former coworker this week, she has a Model Y, and she warned me that Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ is very real and unsettling when it occurs.
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Tesla is collecting tons of driving data from its cars, including when humans are actively driving them. I expect they can already handle “cross the center line to go around the construction workers”. But i agree that getting it be actually be reliable in edge situations is going to be a challenge.
For instance
Too lazy to click on the link.
I thought it’s all software. Does a Tesla recall just mean a software update?
Can I opt out from being anywhere near all this experimentation? Honestly, cars work better when everyone is responsible for their own lives and drive to preserve their own lives.
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Yes
Tesla said it would deploy an over-the-air software update in the coming weeks to improve how the technology negotiates certain driving maneuvers during the relevant conditions, according to the filing.
On Thursday, Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk tweeted: “The word ‘recall’ for an over-the-air software update is anachronistic and just flat wrong!”
And he kind of has a point.
Nope. Good luck.
It also means driving a not-safe car or not driving at all until it’s fixed. Just a software update, indeed.
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Well, I had to ask.
Don’t you already live in Tesla central. You ARE the experiment. Good luck!