In Eli’s 2 SB runs he threw a combined 15 TD against 2 INTs. That should count in his favor. That said without the 2 SBs there is no way Eli sniffs the HoF.
But without the backed up " I gar-un-tee it" from Broadway Joe’s probably not in the hall either.
Pioneer Players have a whole different status in the hall.
btw, can just as easily debate Kelly, Aikman, Dawson, Griese, Jurgenson, Stabler
what NY Players are in the NFL HOF on a stretch? Klecko should have been years ago. Namath is a different animal all together.
Simms not in, shouldn’t be
Testeverde, most yards without being in
My point is that had Eli had the same career (& SBs) at Jacksonville, he would be less likely to reach the HOF.
i get your point, but based on what?
What NYer is in where a comparable player from a small market is not?
IDK leading a podunk franchise to 2 SBs one over the 18-0 Patriots would probably have put him on the map a bit. But yeah he certainly got a lot more expose in NY that he would have in Jacksonville or several other places.
I think Plunket is the only other QB with 2 SB rings not in the Hall but I could be wrong.
SB or Championships, with various levels of contribution
Earl Morrall - 3 rings; fascinating story, MVP, another 2nd place, but a perennial back-up; 9-0 as a starter in Miami’s perfect season, plus first two playoff games, Griese played the SB. 13-1 for Baltimore in 1968, the NYJ SB, where Unitas replaced him. Hardly contributed in the other two SB winning seasons (1 Mia, 1 Bal)
Jack Kemp - Pre SB. surprised he isn’t in. 7 PB, 2 AP, 3 top 3 POY, 1 win. 6 Championship games
Daryle Lamonica - didn’t really contribute to the championships - Pre-SB
Jim McMahon - happened to be on GB for the 2nd
Jeff Hostetler - back-up contributed to the NYG win
Jimmy Garoppolo - back-up
Bubby Brister - back-up
Marc Wilson - back-up
Matt Cavanaugh - back-up
I guess I should have clarified, starter for 2 SB winning teams.
In sports, there is a clear media bias toward the coverage of NY teams (for better and worse). For the NFL, the QB is generally the celebrity position outside of the diva WRs and a few other stars. It is difficult to compare players in the NFL outside of QB. The HOF is rarified air, regardless of sport, so you are not going to have many comparables.
Simms was the starter for two SB winning teams, though only played in one of the games
Imo Eli benefits more from being a Manning than being NY based. Way more buzz across the sport for the family
something to that. Huge exposure, commercial success, leads people to feel greater field success. If he wasn’t a Manning, I don’t think he would have had nearly the level of exposure.
Simms was injured for the second one and didn’t play at all in the playoffs that year. Sure he’s got 2 rings but Hostetler “won” the 2nd one. I mean Simms was as much the starter as Carson Wentz was when Philly won the SB with Nick Foles at QB.
Finalists
They picked 11
Of the 15 I picked, 8 got in, 7 didn’t - 5 were first time Semi-finalists, so I guess that is a thing (Steve Smith & Watters were the other two)
Three I said no to, did get in. I know Hester was on my secondary list and lost to the count. So in if not for wasting picks on 1st timers. I wouldn’t have included Anderson & Woodson
Hester is an odd one to rank.
My 6 in order
Thomas
Willis
Wayne
Ware
Barber
Johnson
the 3 WRs were very close, I think Holt is the odd man out, if even two get in and Hester will be interesting
Special teamers in general are tough. I don’t think any return specialists are in, and very few other predominantly/only special teamers are. I think it’s just Andersen, Landeta, and Guy.
I saw an article floating one idea I thought was interesting: adding a dedicated special teams HOF slot to the ballot once every 10 years. Sounds good to me.
https://www.powerpoll.com/nfl/articles/nfl-special-teams-and-the-hall-of-fame-1857#:~:text=There%20are%20only%20three%20pure,years%20for%20his%20gold%20jacket.
Stenerud, not Landeta
I would bet Vinateri will be
We can also debate why Blanda & Lou Groza are in
Yes, you are right
They are why I wrote predominantly, but that is debatable
Would still seem equitable to have a dedicated ST spot on the ballot once every 10 years or so. There is certainly a solid list of deserving candidates, and I don’t think a low frequency of once every 10 years would damage the prestige of a HOF selection
Gale Sayers would not be in the HoF without his returning ability.
That’s an interesting take. I’m sure his 8 return TDs bolstered his case but I’m not sure they made it. In his healthy seasons he finished top 5 in MVP vote every year, lead the league in rushing twice and averaged 5 ypc for his career.