I dunno… how are you defining “moderators”?
Just got this text message…seems legit…
Welcome! We’ve noticed that your background and resume have been recommended by several online recruitment agencies, so we’d like to offer you a part-time job that you can do in your free time. Our job is simple: we simply rate your favorite hotels. There are no time constraints and you can complete the assessment from home. Daily pay ranges from $300 to $800, and all wages are paid on the same day. If you would like to take part, please contact us via WhatsApp: [withheld so you sobs don’t steal my next job opportunity]
(Note: You must be at least 20 years old)
This could be amusing. I need to find a burner phone texting number though. Hopefully they’ll make an exception that I’m only 19 years old.
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Is that day 50 years in the future?
had a recruiter contact me. said my background was great for a position they had. i agreed to a screen with them to learn more. not excited to move, but not wanting to avoid roles for which I am “perfect” if the role checks all the other boxes.
end result of that call was to ask me to speak w their boss (recruiting firm leader). look - the role for which I match either exists or it does not. tell me specifics now or i aint got time for it. not looking to speak w the entire recruiting firm bc that doesn’t get me a job. that gets me to know a recruiter and I am not actively looking.
cross post to annoyed thoughts (but too lazy to do that too)
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I think that’s the first lie they learn to tell in recruiter school.
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Selby Jennings emailed me about a role. It actually is in the field I currently am in, and want to stay in. But it’s Selby Jennings, and I don’t really want to move companies, so into the trash it went.
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the screener sent my reply to the big boss who sent me an email assuring me it is worth my time to talk with them and then some name-dropping to credentialize themself. whatevs. the job role they shared (not which company, just the job role) matches what i do now within reason. i said I already have the role and like it. i guess I just reply (if I reply) with answer the 3 things that matter (all relating to money).
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What are those three things, if I may ask?
I think for me to change companies, I would need at a minimum:
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An established company culture committed to remote work (I don’t love WFH but I would not want to change companies only to be told six months later that I have to relocate or be fired)
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Not more than quarterly requirement for travel to HQ, and not over weekends (e.g. fly in Monday, leave Thursday night or Friday would be ok)
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At least a total pay increase of 30%, and at least a base pay increase of 25%. This one is probably most achievable of the three, given where my comp level currently is and my experience and performance history
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projected salary (and guaranteed for how long while ramping up)
projected bonus (and guaranteed for how long while ramping up)
is there some equity component (and if yes, please explain)
this is a sales/production role. the idea that you jump in and sales occur right away in the new place is unlikely IMO. that’s whay the ramp up is referenced
more matters than just that of course. but it’s DOA if the money isn’t right. like I said, i have a job and like it already.
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Wasn’t there a thread on the AO were the discussion centered around what % increase in salary was pretty much an automatic “yes” to move?
I think 25% was basically the consensus barring the new place being spectacularly culturally awful.
I think that with the advent of more widespread WFH, that 25% might have moved a bit lower if more WFH per week was in play when moving companies.
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I think it was 20% that was a “do not pass 'Go” but go directly to that new job!"
my contribution to a thread where someone had an offer for 20% more but had some preference for current owing to bicycling to work was “for those of us in the donkey pen, that offer is a must take and you buy yourself a new bike and more hay than ever” or something like that.
thanks to DWS for erasing that.
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a recruiter reached out to me on linkedin for a role at a company that laid me off 15 yrs ago.
my company was acquired and I (along with many others) were deemed redundant 8 weeks into it. the severance was totally shit. I was not polite in my reply.
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I certainly understand not wanting to return to a company that treated you badly.
But there can be benefits to returning to a previous employer. You probably get credit for time previously served in terms of vacation / PTO allotment and if there is any impact to retirement or anything else that’s seniority based.
But if you hated working there and not enough has changed to improve what you hated then no… not worth it.
Really all just depends on why you left.
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i left bc they told me i was redundant. i have prior employers I’d work for, sure. in fact…all of them. except this one.
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Fair!
I know a guy that had been in this situation, and he landed on his feet really well, having found a company where he just meshed better with their corporate culture.
Years later, the guy who made the decision to lay off my buddy was also laid off from the first company and was sniffing around buddy’s new company looking for work, but that didn’t get anywhere. Buddy got a good last laugh on that one.
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How many years would it take to say that a company culture has changed? For one thing, your boss and your boss’s boss may have moved on.
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Oh sure. Many are gone. Many senior leaders are still there though. Most of the people i knew from our time at the acquired company fled even after surviving layoff day (they described it all so negatively). And id be in a 100% different role.
All that said, theyd have to guarantee me a lot for like 3 years to entertain it. And i dont care to have that conversation w whoever is using that business card right now. I mean demanding a guarantee of getting a 50% raise over current comp, guaranteed, for 3 yrs.and still possibly declining it bc…
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I don’t know but at my first actuarial job I was taught that bad experience is more credible than good experience.
I had a recruiter come to me with an opportunity at a former employer. Same department. My gut reaction was “hell no”, but she was trying to persuade me that it would be great. I reluctantly agreed to let her present me to the company, reasoning that I could say “no” at any step of the way. I breathed a sigh of relief when it went nowhere. I’ve caught up with some former coworkers subsequently and confirmed that I’m glad I didn’t waste time interviewing.
A lot of employees ended up at a different local employer and I was talking to an actuary there at a professional event who was like “why would anyone want to get on that sinking ship?” I hadn’t quite realized my former employer’s bad reputation.
That said, another time I returned to a different former employer and that went considerably better. The reason for leaving no longer existed and most of the people I disliked had moved on (with one notable exception who I was mostly able to avoid). It was kind of funny: three months in I hit a milestone anniversary based on my “adjusted start date”.
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