# Possibility or Paranoia **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [November 11, 2020, 2:08pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980 "2020-11-11T14:08:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/163 "2020-11-13T14:40:27Z")
> [@PatientZombie](#): > > HOPEFULLY, there are at least a couple of Republican’s with a conscience and put country over party It would be quite something if a 50-50 Senate vote came out to favor Harris over Pence because someone like Romney or Collins voted for Harris. It’s kind of too bad that it’s the Senate that chooses the VPOTUS and the House that chooses the POTUS. Because I think Romney or Collins are a LOT less likely to pick Harris over Pence than they would be to pick Biden over Trump. Pence is far less objectionable than Trump, and Harris is far more divisive than Biden. So I can’t seriously see any GOP Senator voting for Harris. I really don’t think it’s going to come to that though. CNN just called AZ for Biden. Assuming that GA goes Biden and NC goes Trump that brings us to a vote total of 306-232. It’s really unlikely that Biden states worth 37 votes fail to have the electors vote. ---
**Author:** ![mavvj](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/43a26b/32.png) [@mavvj](https://community.goactuary.com/u/mavvj)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/165 "2020-11-13T16:20:46Z")
> [@twig93](#): > > So I can’t seriously see any GOP Senator voting for Harris. Is it possible to abstain? I could see Romney abstaining. Forgive me if it is a silly question, I’m not American. ---
**Author:** ![ao\_fan](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/ao_fan/32/143_2.png) [@ao\_fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ao_fan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/166 "2020-11-13T16:32:36Z")
I’m confused by this entire conversation. why would the electoral college just not vote as they are supposed to? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/triweasel/32/159_2.png) [@Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Triweasel)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/167 "2020-11-13T16:55:56Z")
They will. This is just speculation about what could happen if they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Drunken\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@The\_Drunken\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Drunken_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/168 "2020-11-13T17:05:13Z")
Why on earth would you think that? It’s been reported hundreds of times that Trump doesn’t grant audiences to people who don’t tell him what he wants to hear. Even intelligence briefings were instructed to exclude anything negative about Russia. You are off your rocker if you think GOP officials are telling him the cold hard truth. They are afraid of him because he still controls the republican party and they need his support. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/169 "2020-11-13T18:18:16Z")
> [@mavvj](#): > > Is it possible to abstain? I could see Romney abstaining. It is definitely possible to abstain and I would need to look up the rules on whether they need a majority of Senators voting or a majority of members of the Senate. Some things are one and some are the other. I don’t realistically see Romney abstaining though. But that’s more likely than him voting for Harris at any rate. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/170 "2020-11-13T18:18:57Z")
> [@ao\_fan](#): > > I’m confused by this entire conversation. why would the electoral college just not vote as they are supposed to? 😕 The hypothetical is if a state can’t reach a decision (eg due to court challenges) and determine the proper slate of electors by the date that the electors meet. Far-fetched, IMO, but it’s a hypothetical. ---
**Author:** ![ao\_fan](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/ao_fan/32/143_2.png) [@ao\_fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ao_fan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/171 "2020-11-13T18:21:02Z")
> [@twig93](#): > > The hypothetical is if a state can’t reach a decision (eg due to court challenges) and determine the proper slate of electors by the date that the electors meet. Far-fetched, IMO, but it’s a hypothetical. ah, okay, seems like every lawsuit trump has filed gets thrown out, so hopefully this won’t be an issue. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/172 "2020-11-13T18:21:59Z")
> [@The\_Drunken\_Actuary](#): > > Why on earth would you think that? It’s been reported hundreds of times that Trump doesn’t grant audiences to people who don’t tell him what he wants to hear. I can’t find my post on the topic, but CNN was reporting that Melania and other people in the White House close to Trump have been urging him to concede since last Wednesday (I think… over a week ago at any rate, but I think Wednesday). This was “according to unnamed sources in the White House” or something along those lines. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/173 "2020-11-13T18:33:30Z")
Here’s a story they ran on their website, although my original source was watching their live reporting where, on the segment that I happened to watch, they did not mention Jared Kushner, only Melania. And separately on a different segment “individuals close to the President” or something vague like that. > **[Jared Kushner, Melania Trump advise Trump to accept election loss | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/08/politics/jared-kushner-donald-trump-concession/index.html)** > > President Donald Trump’s inner circle is beginning to split over his ongoing refusal to accept the results of the 2020 election, as Jared Kushner and first lady Melania Trump advised him to come to terms with President-elect Joe Biden’s victory and... ---
**Author:** ![Sade](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Sade](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Sade)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/174 "2020-11-13T18:57:25Z")
I think some of the people in this thread need to take their tinfoil hats off. Everything is fine. Trump lost the election by quite a few electoral votes. He’s already dropped his suit in PA, and he’ll willingly surrender power on Jan 20. He’s just trying to annoy others now because that’s what he likes to do. Can we cut the shit of the military getting involved or acting president now? ---
**Author:** ![dothemath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/dothemath/32/651_2.png) [@dothemath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dothemath)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/175 "2020-11-13T19:19:39Z")
They dropped the AZ suit too, right? Because Biden’s lead is larger than the number of outstanding votes, so there’s no point anymore. ---
**Author:** ![dothemath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/dothemath/32/651_2.png) [@dothemath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dothemath)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/176 "2020-11-13T19:20:35Z")
Biden will be President on Jan 20. Trump will leave “in protest” without conceding the election. ---
**Author:** ![ao\_fan](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/ao_fan/32/143_2.png) [@ao\_fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ao_fan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/177 "2020-11-13T19:22:26Z")
NBC also just called Georgia for Biden and NC for Trump. Didn’t realize this hadn’t happened yet. I think all the states have been called now. ---
**Author:** ![PatientZombie](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/patientzombie/32/391_2.png) [@PatientZombie](https://community.goactuary.com/u/PatientZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/178 "2020-11-13T19:23:53Z")
That also means reversing any one state can not bring Biden below 270 ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 7:29pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/179 "2020-11-13T19:29:04Z")
> [@Sade](#): > > He’s just trying to annoy others now because that’s what he likes to do. He’s also using the cry of “help me win this election after all!” as a fundraiser, and the fine print says he doesn’t have to spend the money fighting the results, he can use it for his general election fund, which is in debt. (possibly to him.) So while he might have hoped to find some way to stay, at least part of his goal now is grifting. Possibly most of his goal is now grifting. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/180 "2020-11-13T19:34:16Z")
> [@ao\_fan](#): > > NBC also just called Georgia for Biden and NC for Trump. Didn’t realize this hadn’t happened yet. I think all the states have been called now. CNN has also done this, although no idea if they were before or after NBC. CNN has been extremely conservative in calling states. (Not conservative as in GOP… conservative as in waiting until they are really really REALLY sure before calling it. They waited DAYS longer than anyone else to call AZ, as an example.) CNN has called all 538 electoral votes at this point, as I suspect have all or most other outlets. 306 Democrat - 232 Republican… exactly the opposite electoral totals from 2016 when it was 306 Republican - 232 Democrat ---
**Author:** ![ao\_fan](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/ao_fan/32/143_2.png) [@ao\_fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ao_fan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/181 "2020-11-13T19:36:53Z")
NBC was also extremely conservative in calling states. I think they called Arizona yesterday. They are right there with CNN. ---
**Author:** ![ViceFleeble](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/vicefleeble/32/74484_2.png) [@ViceFleeble](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ViceFleeble)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/182 "2020-11-13T19:56:12Z")
Also because law firms are responding to public pressure and bailing out - they don’t want to have the reputation of trying to play a part in these shenanigans ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/possibility-or-paranoia/980/183 "2020-11-13T20:03:50Z")
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