# Organized Crime & Government **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [July 25, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199 "2022-07-25T18:26:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nick\_Papagiorgio](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/nick_papagiorgio/32/451_2.png) [@Nick\_Papagiorgio](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Nick_Papagiorgio)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/1 "2022-07-25T18:26:39Z")
I watched Peaky Blinders Season 6 this weekend (great show). It hit me while watching that some of what may be lost in history lessons due to WW2 is that members of organized criminal organizations had seats in the highest levels of our government in quite recent history. A mobsters son was elected as President in 1960 which is crazy if you really think about it. That was only 60 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![John.S.Mill](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/john.s.mill/32/9771_2.png) [@John.S.Mill](https://community.goactuary.com/u/John.S.Mill)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/2 "2022-07-25T18:30:31Z")
Pablo Escobar was almost president too no? A lot of mobsters are philanthropists. People love to be loved. ---
**Author:** ![colonelsmoothie](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/colonelsmoothie/32/136_2.png) [@colonelsmoothie](https://community.goactuary.com/u/colonelsmoothie)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/3 "2022-07-25T18:31:25Z")
Organized crime pretty much functions as an unrecognized government funded by taxes aka protection money. Eventually they might become the government like in the United States where a handful of powerful human traffickers founded the greatest nation in history. ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Papagiorgio](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/nick_papagiorgio/32/451_2.png) [@Nick\_Papagiorgio](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Nick_Papagiorgio)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/4 "2022-07-25T20:17:32Z")
Like I said, we’ve already been there. We’re doing better now right? I feel like people say things like it’s worse than it’s ever been and they have no idea what they’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![AcademicActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@AcademicActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/AcademicActuary)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/5 "2022-07-25T20:30:04Z")
One theory of Kennedy’s assassination was that Joe made a deal with the mob to deliver Illinois in return for JFK going easy on the mob. RFK aggressively pursued organized crime and that along wirh JFKs refusal to invade Cuba (Baby of Pigs was in the works prior to his taking office) did not endear JFK to the mob. > **[Robert F. Kennedy's crusade against the Mob](https://themobmuseum.org/blog/robert-f-kennedys-crusade-mob/)** > > RFK has been described as a ruthless, puritan, willing to use extralegal means to his own ends. His excesses with warrant-less (and likely illegal) wiretaps and bugging of the homes and meeting places of mobsters and Mob associates – to obtain raw... ---
**Author:** ![Indy](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@Indy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Indy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/6 "2022-07-25T21:10:22Z")
I tried to follow up on that. This was my first Google hit: > “As his biographer, I would have loved to have discovered that he was a bootlegger,” says Nasaw. “It would have given me all sorts of great stories. I tracked down every rumor I could find and none of them panned out. It became really clear that all of the stories about his bootlegging were just farcical.” > **[How Joseph Kennedy Made His Fortune (Hint: It Wasn’t Bootlegging) | HISTORY](https://www.history.com/articles/joseph-kennedy-wealth-alcohol-prohibition)** > > The Kennedy patriarch amassed great wealth partly by selling alcohol, but he also made savvy deals and sales that bec... ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/7 "2022-07-25T21:15:53Z")
That was an interesting read. Thanks! Skips over the Pantages Theater buyout, in which he hired a girl to accuse Mr Pantages of rape. ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Papagiorgio](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/nick_papagiorgio/32/451_2.png) [@Nick\_Papagiorgio](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Nick_Papagiorgio)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/8 "2022-07-26T00:52:17Z")
Yeah they never pinned bootlegging on Al Capone either. ---
**Author:** ![colonelsmoothie](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/colonelsmoothie/32/136_2.png) [@colonelsmoothie](https://community.goactuary.com/u/colonelsmoothie)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/9 "2022-07-26T01:19:31Z")
My hypothesis on why insider trading is illegal is to put people in jail that are suspected of worse crimes but for which there isn’t sufficient evidence. ---
**Author:** ![CSPAN](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/35a633/32.png) [@CSPAN](https://community.goactuary.com/u/CSPAN)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 1:31am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/10 "2022-07-26T01:31:13Z")
Could it be that the skills required to become a successful organized criminal translate well to government? ---
**Author:** ![AcademicActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@AcademicActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/AcademicActuary)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 2:37am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/11 "2022-07-26T02:37:33Z")
You could just as well say the skills translate well to private enterprise which is what organized crime is. According to the enterprise perspective, organized criminal groups form and thrive in the same way that legitimate businesses do: they respond to the needs and demands of suppliers, customers, regulators and competitors. The only difference between organized criminal groups and legitimate business is that organized criminals deal in illegal products and services, whereas legitimate businesses normally do not (Smith, 1980; Smith, 1990). ---
**Author:** ![CSPAN](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/35a633/32.png) [@CSPAN](https://community.goactuary.com/u/CSPAN)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 2:53am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/12 "2022-07-26T02:53:32Z")
You could just as well have said “yes.” You didn’t need to cite sources to confirm my assertion. ---
**Author:** ![AcademicActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@AcademicActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/AcademicActuary)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 2:58am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/organized-crime-government/6199/13 "2022-07-26T02:58:46Z")
Russia is an example of a country run as an organized crime enterprise and Putin is an example of such a leader. When you have a government with separation of powers your claim is dumb.