# Israel - Hamas War October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [October 7, 2023, 10:49pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474 "2023-10-07T22:49:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 267
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 6:23pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5432 "2025-11-12T18:23:09Z")
> [@An\_actuary](#): > > How about if it was a Native American who came and attacked your house with a gun, would it be ok for the judge to be say it’s a moot point who did it first then? Are you suggesting, by analogy, that Israel should bless development of Palestinian casinos and franchises to sell tax-free tobacco, as a tacit “compensation” for past issues? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 1:20pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5433 "2025-11-15T13:20:56Z")
Oh, about those schools. Agree with the UNRWA lady. If you want those kids to grow up despising Israel then keep following the same nonsencial policies espoused by Bibi and his extremist supporters. > [@](#): > > Unrwa is providing a few hours of schooling a day and mental health support to about 40,000 children via 280 “temporary learning spaces” in shelters in Gaza. But its work is hampered because it is not allowed to bring pens and notebooks into the territory under import rules imposed by Israeli authorities, it has said. > > The children at these centres have endured two years of unimaginable trauma that for many has involved being forced to move multiple times, the deaths of close family members, hunger, relentless bombing and destruction. > > **By early September at least 2,596 children in Gaza had [lost both parents](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/10/no-family-stability-social-fabric-harm-inflicted-gaza-children-incalculable) and a further 53,724 had lost either their father (47,804) or mother (5,920), according to Gaza health ministry statistics cited by the UN’s child protection agency, Unicef.** > > **Boucly said Gaza’s orphans would have “nothing to lose unless they see a future for themselves. Unless you offer something to these kids … we cannot exclude another terrorist attack. We cannot exclude armed groups being formed [or] much worse.”** > **[Israel breaching international law by limiting Gaza aid, says Unrwa official](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/15/israel-breaching-international-law-by-limiting-gaza-aid-says-unrwa-official)** > > Natalie Boucly says supplies are ready but only about half of what is needed is getting into territory ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5434 "2025-11-15T19:33:02Z")
> **[South Africa investigates mystery of a plane that arrived with more than 150...](https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-israel-gaza-refugee-asyslum-south-africa-7d5dcbacae38e3564f77e0576a9eaaa1)** > > South Africa’s intelligence services are investigating who was behind a chartered plane that landed in Johannesburg with more than 150 Palestinians from Gaza who did not have proper travel documents and were held onboard on the tarmac for around 12... ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 12:17am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5435 "2025-11-19T00:17:39Z")
> **[Israeli attack on Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon kills at least 13](https://www-aljazeera-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/11/18/israeli-attack-on-palestinian-refugee-camp-in-lebanon-kills-at-least-13)** > > Israel continues to attack Lebanon on a near-daily basis in violation of a yearlong ceasefire with Hezbollah. ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:09am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5436 "2025-11-19T01:09:24Z")
What Al Jazeera won’t say is that Hamas was operating a training camp there, and that’s what Israel hit. It also doesn’t violate the ceasefire, because the ceasefire says “From the specified time, Lebanon will prevent Hezbollah and other armed groups from conducting operations against Israel. Israel will not carry out offensive military operations against Lebanese targets.” Since the target wasn’t Lebanese, it wasn’t a violation. ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:21am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5437 "2025-11-19T01:21:37Z")
> [@FormerActuary](#): > > What Al Jazeera won’t say is that Hamas was operating a training camp there, and that’s what Israel hit. You clearly didn’t click the link, as Al Jazeera did specifically say Israel alleged there was a Hamas training camp there. ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:29am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5438 "2025-11-19T01:29:09Z")
> [@FormerActuary](#): > > Since the target was exterminating Palestinians, it wasn’t a violation. IFYP ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:33am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5439 "2025-11-19T01:33:18Z")
In this case, exactly. The terms of the ceasefire specify Lebanese targets. But I wouldn’t use the term “exterminating” - they were getting rid of terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:46am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5440 "2025-11-19T01:46:51Z")
Sort of like the current Trump policy: label anyone a terrorist, and you can just exterminate them. ---
**Author:** ![YankeeTripper](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/yankeetripper/32/946_2.png) [@YankeeTripper](https://community.goactuary.com/u/YankeeTripper)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 8:34pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5441 "2025-11-19T20:34:46Z")
You know they were bad people, a lot of people had problems with them, and things just happen. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 12:03am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5442 "2025-11-20T00:03:18Z")
Can we please stop pretending that this is a _developed_ country? > **[Israel blocks UN Hamas sexual crimes probe to avoid inquiry into abuse of...](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-08/ty-article/.premium/israel-blocks-un-hamas-sexual-crimes-probe-to-avoid-inquiry-into-abuse-of-palestinians/00000194-44e0-d087-a9bd-7de1d5f20000)** > > The UN's special representative on conflict-related sexual violence asked to investigate Hamas' alleged crimes on October 7 and towards the hostages, but Israel refused her request to access Israeli detention facilities to examine claims of IDF... ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 12:38am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5443 "2025-11-20T00:38:22Z")
Maybe it’s because the UN has demonstrated extreme bias through the entire conflict? ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 12:39am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5444 "2025-11-20T00:39:41Z")
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/despite-promised-reforms-pa-textbooks-still-teach-antisemitic-anti-israel-messages/amp/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/despite-promised-reforms-pa-textbooks-still-teach-antisemitic-anti-israel-messages/amp/) Despite promises to reform the education in Palestinian Territories, with payments actually made from other governments because of those promises, Palestinian children are still taught to hate Jews, and to glorify terror. ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 3:12am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5445 "2025-11-20T03:12:29Z")
You realize there is similar evidence from the other side, right? ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 1:17pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5446 "2025-11-20T13:17:02Z")
Care to share some? I’m not referring to a school run by some extremists. I’m referring to government sponsored curriculum. ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 1:56pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5447 "2025-11-20T13:56:25Z")
[https://www.economist.com/pomegranate/2013/02/08/teaching-children-to-hate-each-other](https://www.economist.com/pomegranate/2013/02/08/teaching-children-to-hate-each-other) Since it’s paywalled, here is an excerpt: "The report says that Israeli and Palestinian teachers both portray their neighbours as enemies, though Israel does so considerably less. After ploughing through nearly 30,000 pages of text, the researchers found that 49% of texts dealing with Palestinians in Israeli state-issued schoolbooks are negative; in government-funded Orthodox Jewish academies the figure rises to 73%. One such textbook depicts Arabs as “bloodthirsty” and “a nest of murderers”. In Palestinian textbooks 84% of the references to Israelis are negative. In both Palestinians and Israeli state schools the books promote “martyrdom-sacrifice through death”. Each side glorifies itself, while denigrating the other. Moreover, the textbooks tend to deny each other’s existence. Of 800 maps of their contested land studied by the researchers, 87% of the Israeli ones mark none of the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan river as Palestinian" This is from 2013. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was worse now, as racist rhetoric has intensified. ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5448 "2025-11-20T14:02:14Z")
> [@The\_Polymath](#): > > Can we please stop pretending that this is a _developed_ country? Being “developed” doesn’t preclude a country misbehaving. C.f. the United States of America over the past 10 months. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 2:14pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5449 "2025-11-20T14:14:07Z")
The US is definitely regressing. Just remains to be seen whether it improves once Trump is gone or not. With Israel, the direction of travel points to increased extremism based on its current political structure, demographics, and the growing (and very violent) settler behavior in the west bank. Its becoming increasingly like Iran: militarised, religious, and with limited freedom of speech. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5450 "2025-11-20T14:27:34Z")
Case in point on why Israel cannot be trusted anymore. They have no interest in keeping their word (they did after all agree to the ceasefire conditions). Its all about killing more Palestinians. > **[Israeli airstrikes kill 33 people in Gaza in escalation of post-ceasefire...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/20/israeli-airstrikes-gaza-ceasefire-khan-younis)** > > Medical officials say 17 people killed in Khan Younis area and 16 in strikes on Gaza City ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5451 "2025-11-20T18:50:20Z")
So… Israeli troops were in an area where, according to the agreement, they were allowed to be. Palestinians started attacking them. (Not saying Hamas, because Hamas is claiming that it wasn’t them.) Israel strikes the area where the attack came from. Seems to be that Israel isn’t the one violating the agreement here. Never mind that Hamas is also not keeping to the agreement - they’re still refusing to disarm, and are still holding onto the remains of some hostages. Trump’s plan was approved by the UN the other day, but Hamas won’t accept it. Who is the obstacle to peace and a Palestinian state here exactly? [Previous page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474.md?page=266) [Next page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474.md?page=268)