# Israel - Hamas War October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [October 7, 2023, 10:49pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474 "2023-10-07T22:49:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 266
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5412 "2025-11-11T17:46:42Z")
Where did you get that from? I never said any such thing. ---
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 6:13pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5413 "2025-11-11T18:13:26Z")
> [@FormerActuary](#): > > I didn’t equate Hamas with all Palestinians. - Advocates for forced re-education camps for Palestinians - Advocates for embargo on any future possible Palestinian nation - Declares Palestine a nation of extremists, murderers, and rapists, complicit in crimes - But doesn’t equate Hamas with all Palestinians I think that’s a fair assessment of just the past few posts? ---
**Author:** ![The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_president/32/70075_2.png) [@The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_President)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5414 "2025-11-11T18:22:40Z")
Mostly the last half a dozen or so posts you have made. Or the dozen or so prior to that. And so on. Maybe you don’t mean to imply that but just are doing it accidentally? ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5415 "2025-11-11T19:10:51Z")
I clarified earlier than I’m not in favor of an embargo on anyone. I was just asking Polymath why he doesn’t advocate for it. Re-education “camps”? No, not camps. Just changing what is taught in schools to children. Yes, I think that Palestinians are for the most part a nation of extremists, but not all rapists and murderers. They are extremists because they have been brought up to think that way - hence why I favor changing the education they receive. As far as being complicit in crimes, not all of them, but many of them. Again, this is due to the education they receive - in Gaza, that’s due to Hamas, in the West Bank it’s due to the PA. Hamas are the leaders, who push the others down this path. The regular civilians are not as bad as Hamas. ---
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5416 "2025-11-11T19:15:34Z")
> [@FormerActuary](#): > > The regular civilians are not as bad as Hamas. Generous. ---
**Author:** ![Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/vorian_atreides/32/65623_2.png) [@Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Vorian_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 7:55pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5417 "2025-11-11T19:55:55Z")
> [@FormerActuary](#): > > Just changing what is taught in schools to children. Would you advocate a change in what is taught in schools to Israeli children? Or just the Palestinians? ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5418 "2025-11-11T19:57:51Z")
I haven’t seen any claims that in Israeli schools, the kids are taught to glorify violence, and that their ultimate goal in life is to kill Palestinians. If they do teach things like that, then yes, absolutely, I 100% say that should be changed. ---
**Author:** ![Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/vorian_atreides/32/65623_2.png) [@Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Vorian_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5419 "2025-11-11T20:03:21Z")
> [@FormerActuary](#): > > their ultimate goal in life is to kill Palestinians So . . . where is this attitude learned? Good evidence exists to suggest that there are Israeli soldiers who hold this attitude. And by good evidence, I mean that I’ve talked with Israeli soldiers who told me that they hold this view. ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 8:06pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5420 "2025-11-11T20:06:41Z")
If I had to guess, it would be through life experiences. Seeing family members or friends killed by terrorist attacks. Having Palestinian children throwing rocks at them. Seeing interviews with Palestinians saying that they won’t stop until Israel is destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/triweasel/32/159_2.png) [@Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Triweasel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 9:18pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5421 "2025-11-11T21:18:25Z")
You understand that this exact logic works in the other direction, right? ---
**Author:** ![Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/vorian_atreides/32/65623_2.png) [@Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Vorian_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 9:27pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5422 "2025-11-11T21:27:20Z")
And a “they did it first” logic is pretty much a moot point at this point in time. A big part of the solution is a commitment to “police within your own fences” arrangement. ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 10:49pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5423 "2025-11-11T22:49:58Z")
I can’t help but wonder if the only solution to the mess is to exile the Palestinians to Greenland, exile the Israelis to Antarctica, and let Disney turn Israel/Palestine into a history-themed tourist trap. ---
**Author:** ![An\_actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@An\_actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/An_actuary)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 10:59pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5424 "2025-11-11T22:59:04Z")
I’m assuming if someone attacks your home with a gun, you’ll be okay with the judge saying ““they did it first” is a moot point” ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5425 "2025-11-11T23:22:32Z")
Except that it’s a documented fact that in Palestinian schools, they teach the kids to glorify violence. The kids could grow up with Israel doing nothing to them, and they’d still hate Jews, because that’s what they’re taught. BTW, these are UN sponsored schools that teach these things. ---
**Author:** ![Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/triweasel/32/159_2.png) [@Triweasel](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Triweasel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:45pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5426 "2025-11-11T23:45:25Z")
Yes, and Israeli settlers have been forcibly evicting Palestinians from their homes for decades. Both sides are actually to blame here. Nobody is defending Hamas or their jihadist BS. Continuing to take sides in this conflict just serves to prolong it indefinitely. ---
**Author:** ![Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/vorian_atreides/32/65623_2.png) [@Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Vorian_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5427 "2025-11-12T13:27:08Z")
I wasn’t talking about a generalized statement. I’m referring to the specific situation we see in the Middle East between Israelis and Palestinians. The situation there has existed for so long that the “who did it first” is now a moot point as there is no way to clearly identify/support/prove either side’s assertions. There is also a huge gap between addressing cultural/political/ideological problems (like we have in the Middle East) vs. issues at a much more personal level. ---
**Author:** ![An\_actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@An\_actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/An_actuary)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 3:47pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5428 "2025-11-12T15:47:15Z")
How about if it was a Native American who came and attacked your house with a gun, would it be ok for the judge to be say it’s a moot point who did it first then? ---
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 3:51pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5429 "2025-11-12T15:51:40Z")
> [@Triweasel](#): > > You understand that this exact logic works in the other direction, right? It’s like a connect-the-dots puzzle with 3 dots. 2 of 3 dots have been put together but I was waiting to see if the third ever landed. ---
**Author:** ![Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/vorian_atreides/32/65623_2.png) [@Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Vorian_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 5:33pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5430 "2025-11-12T17:33:16Z")
How about finding a better example that is actually analogous to the Middle East situation? In the example you present, if there is evidence to support the assertion of “who shot first”, it’s not a moot point. If there isn’t evidence, then “who shot first” is going to be moot. ---
**Author:** ![YankeeTripper](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/yankeetripper/32/946_2.png) [@YankeeTripper](https://community.goactuary.com/u/YankeeTripper)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474/5431 "2025-11-12T18:18:08Z")
Are you arguing that the IDF should be able to exterminate Palestine like the Americans did with Native Americans? [Previous page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474.md?page=265) [Next page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/israel-hamas-war-october-2023/8474.md?page=267)