No bueno
That incident sounds ripe for a civil suit against ICE.
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I didn’t finish reading, but my thought was the next citizenship revocation is going to be Puerto Ricans.
Naw, it’s very hard to sue the federal government when undertaking its duties.
It’s weird where you can easily sue the city and maybe the state for arresting you without reasonable cause, but not the Federal government if they do the same thing.
Interesting message to tourists… Don’t speak your language or you’re subject to arrest and deportation.
Yep. Was thinking along those lines as well.
A toddler, a mother and a grandmother all could have been members of tren do aragua.
I have extreme objections to people being stopped because of their appearance or because of their speech, but I do believe there’s a requirement (not positive whether it’s de jure or de facto) that visitors need to have passport and proof of status with them at all times.
I don’t think that’s true. They need to have proof of status to enter the country. I believe they are free to leave their passport locked in their hotel while they walk around.
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Story of someone wrongfully held for almost 4 years:
After Watson was freed, he sued the government for false imprisonment and won an $82,500 judgment. Then a federal appeals court took it away, ruling that while Watson was in detention he missed the two-year deadline to file his claim.
Despite its decision, the panel of judges found that the legal safeguards created to protect citizens had been undone as one ICE superior after another approved Watson’s detention without reviewing his case records.
One of the court’s judges went a step further, saying Watson should have been allowed to keep the money in light of the extraordinary struggles he was put through.
The 1,273-day imprisonment was a “striking illustration of the consequences that stem from the government’s broad discretion to initiate detention and removal proceedings” and the “sometimes limited ability” of citizens to fight back, wrote Robert Katzmann, chief judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.
It was, Katzmann said, a “colossal government failure.”
I’m not sure that this is the case. I know there are a lot of times where you have to send your passport away at various time e.g. renewing your passport, if you apply for visas from some countries, in a bad case when the government takes it because they don’t want you to travel out of the country.
I know when I was living in the U.S. and Australia, it wasn’t always practical or potentially safe for me to have my passport on me e.g. while at the beach, hiking, going to festivals, Mardi Gras, etc. in many cases, there was a higher than normal risk of the passport getting lost, damaged or stolen.
I think it also varies a bit by country. I know in Italy the hotels were insistent on holding my passport.
No, this is definitely not true.
In fact, its a bit of a risk taking the passport with you outside as it can get lost/stolen.
Most people leave theirs in the hotel room safe.
Yes. Its a historical quirk as they needed to know exactly who was in the building for security reasons, and because of local and national beauracracy (Italy is glacially slow at change).
Other countries have moved away from this in Europe and only scan your passport when you arrive.
The operative phrase is “de jure or de facto”.
Even before the past couple of weeks, CBP would give non-citizens grief at inland checkpoints for failure to have documents.
That being said…prior to the past couple of weeks, one would be unlikely to encounter such checkpoints unless traveling.
When do we move to the “Papers, please” phase of our dictatorship?
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When we traveled to China the advice I read was to photo copy certain pages of my passport and keep those with me at all times while leaving my passport in my hotel safe or when it was being held by the hotel. IIRC there were certain times that it indicated that I would need to have my actual passport but those were fairly rare but that I should always have a copy of it.
We’re there if you are of darker complexion.
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How would you even prove you were a US Citizen in the US using a normal ID?
SSN card? No.
Drivers License? No.
State ID? No.
Few Americans have passports and its not like people walk around with their Birth Certificates tucked into their wallets.
Doesn’t sound legal to me due to the lack of a formal national ID Card (similar problem in the UK)
I think the rule for immigration checkpoints is within 100 miles of a port of entry, but they’ve gotten aggressive and started applying it to any port of entry including sea ports and international airports rather than just the borders of Canada and Mexico.
Even if you’re a citizen, especially if you’re non-white or speak a foreign language, it’s just a good idea to have copies of your passport, Social Security card, and birth certificate on your phone.
Of course ICE can always smash your phone, but it’s a good chance to keep you safe.
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