ICE, ICE baby (and CBP stuff too)

I wonder how much of our tax dollars are going to be burned to defend the class action lawsuit this is going to cause.

While the State Department has the authority to consider social media activity when deciding whether to issue a visa, revoking one solely because the holder expressed an opinion the current government doesn’t like is a violation of the First Amendment.

Admittedly, there’s a challenge in proving it was just speech that caused the revocation…

They would just stall and lie.

You are dealing with people that are not acting in good faith.

They just want to be seen to be destructive as it pertains to their MAGA base.

Some international students will no doubt go the legal route, but lets keep in mind you are up against the US Govt with its almost limitless funding, while ICE is trying to grab you and rendition you. I don’t see many winning there.

This is one of the reasons why I think the US is in deep trouble.

Once these people get a taste for using the power of the state to crush insert smaller entity here, they will not stop at only international students.

The grim reality is that the US has stopped being a country where free speech is possible.

That goes for the natives as well. Thats next on the menu.

Unless the ACLU takes up their cause, I don’t see a lot of students having the funds to challenge this in court.

The schools should be defending their grad students at minimum

If they do that, Trump tries to destroy the program or the university altogether.

Doesn’t matter, they should still do it. My alma mater is capitulating to Trump, and I’m unhappy about it.

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Well yeah, except it was in a court of law and reported by the media. Judges tend to try to stay away from hyperbola as that can be seen as bias.

Probably answered that he was in “Bull Run.” Strike three and checkmate!

You need to be here legally to get a real id DL, don’t you?

You need to be in the US legally to get a RealID. However, you can get RealID as a noncitizen and subsequently have your visa/status revoked.

If you’re a brown American citizen, you really need to be carrying a passport or a passport card.

“Papers!”

Yeah, it could never happen here. /r

He was driving (not just walking around) and was uncuffed and immediately released after showing his driver’s license. The two men with him were taken into custody.

I think detained is misleading in this context. It can mean to briefly stop in the dictionary definition, but in the context of ICE it usually means to be held in some kind of detention in a more long term fashion, which is not what happened here.

I don’t argue that they were probably targeting Hispanic people although I haven’t read the full story.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/just-following-hispanic-people-citizen-detained-by-ice-questions-vote-for-trump/3861172/

I think it’s misleading to claim that sounds any better.

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Judging from the story, I’d guess the other 2 people in the car (who were held) were not citizens, although it seems unlikely they were doing anything illegal at the time, nor does it seem likely that ICE had any reason to believe that they were criminals (you can’t really do facial recognition from a moving car as far as I’m aware).

This will definitely cost Republicans some Hispanic votes.

Being pulled over, having guns pointed at him, and being handcuffed isn’t a nothingburger in my opinion.

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Will only believe this after it happens.

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Here’s what I found for the legal definition of detained:

In a legal context, “detained” means being temporarily held by law enforcement for questioning or investigation, usually based on reasonable suspicion, but not yet formally arrested.

Here’s a more detailed explanation:

  • Temporary Holding:

Detainment is a temporary restriction of freedom, allowing law enforcement to investigate a situation or gather information.

  • Reasonable Suspicion:

Law enforcement needs reasonable suspicion to detain someone, meaning they have specific and articulable facts that suggest a crime may have been committed or is about to be committed.

  • Not Arrest:

Unlike an arrest, which involves a formal charge and longer deprivation of freedom, a detention is typically brief and focused on gathering information.

  • Examples:

A traffic stop, questioning a person at the scene of a crime, or holding someone while waiting for a warrant are all examples of detentions.

  • Rights during detention:

You have the right to remain silent and refuse to answer questions, and the right to not consent to a search without a warrant.