# ICE, ICE baby (and CBP stuff too) **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [January 24, 2025, 10:50pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945 "2025-01-24T22:50:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![An\_actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@An\_actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/An_actuary)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 1:33pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/424 "2025-04-30T13:33:15Z")
Interesting that this implies that at least 1/3 of criminal charges are dropped or never lead to convictions. ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 1:48pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/425 "2025-04-30T13:48:10Z")
The linked AP article says that number also includes those arrested but never charged, suspects, and missing persons. “It includes the names of suspects, missing persons and people who have been arrested, even if they have never been charged with a crime or had charges dropped.” ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/426 "2025-04-30T13:57:47Z")
In one of the earlier articles on the student visa revocations, it was observed that even people who had reported domestic violence were having their visas pulled, indicating that anyone in a database as having an interaction with police was being impacted. ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 3:10pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/427 "2025-04-30T15:10:10Z")
> **[Immigrants who came to the Texas Panhandle to work legally have been told...](https://apnews.com/article/trump-immigration-texas-panhandle-meatpacking-89e4c46621d4db04ed436323d24bded7)** > > Confusion and fear are rippling through the immigrant communities of the Texas Panhandle, where newcomers have come for generations to work in its immense meatpacking plants. ---
**Author:** ![now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/now_samantha/32/24815_2.png) [@now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/u/now_samantha)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 3:28pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/428 "2025-04-30T15:28:52Z")
> **[Columbia student Mohsen Mahdawi is free on bail after judge orders his...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-orders-columbia-student-mohsen-mahdawi-released-rcna203675)** > > Mohsen Mahdawi, a 34-year-old U.S. permanent resident who was raised in a refugee camp in the West Bank, was detained during his April 14 naturalization interview in Vermont. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/429 "2025-04-30T16:19:58Z")
Agree with his comment: > [@](#): > > What we are witnessing now and what we’re understanding is exactly what Dr. Martin Luther King has said before: Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere," he added. Any weak link in the chain will be exploited by parties that have no interest in due process or the rule of law. ---
**Author:** ![vjvj](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/vjvj/32/406_2.png) [@vjvj](https://community.goactuary.com/u/vjvj)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/430 "2025-04-30T23:37:04Z")
> [@ArthurItas](#): > > “It includes the names of suspects, missing persons and people who have been arrested, even if they have never been charged with a crime or had charges dropped.” Well, now they’re all suspects, which means they can all be rounded up. ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 10:40am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/431 "2025-05-02T10:40:38Z")
> **[gov.uscourts.txsd.2000771.58.0\_1.pdf](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsd.2000771/gov.uscourts.txsd.2000771.58.0_1.pdf)** > > 437.30 KB A district court has held that Dear Leader has used that the Alien Enemies Act cannot be invoked in the deportation of alleged members of Tren de Aragua, ruling that the AEA requires that “a threat exists of an organized, armed group of individuals entering the United States… to conquer the country, or assume control over a portion of the nation”…and that the feds haven’t made the case that’s true with TdA. The district court also ruled that it is statutorily barred from determining whether deportation of individuals to CECOT likely violates a provision of US statutes that prohibits removal of individuals when the removal would more likely than not cause them to face torture as part of a habeas petition, the mechanism SCOTUS has ruled is proper for potential deportees to challenge their deportation. Whether the ruling will survive the Fifth Circuit is unknown. The Fifth Circuit is the one that is most likely to go along with the administration, but even that court has been dubious in regards to some of Dear Leader’s immigration actions. ---
**Author:** ![Actuary321](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Actuary321](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Actuary321)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/432 "2025-05-02T14:48:14Z")
This judge was a Deal Leader’s appointment so at least that kind of favors survival of the Fifth Circuit. ---
**Author:** ![colonelsmoothie](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/colonelsmoothie/32/136_2.png) [@colonelsmoothie](https://community.goactuary.com/u/colonelsmoothie)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 12:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/433 "2025-05-07T12:53:30Z")
> **[US judge blocks plan to deport migrants to Libya](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yry9y089eo)** > > The order comes after lawyers expressed alarm that the US was planning to deport migrants to the North African country "immediately". ---
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 1:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/434 "2025-05-07T13:53:23Z")
> **[Trump offers illegal immigrants $1,000 to 'self-deport'](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2y02wpz7po)** > > US officials say the incentive offers a "dignified" exit from the country for those who are there illegally. > The average cost to arrest, detain, and deport a migrant currently stood at more than $17,000, they said. ---
**Author:** ![vjvj](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/vjvj/32/406_2.png) [@vjvj](https://community.goactuary.com/u/vjvj)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 9:57pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/435 "2025-05-07T21:57:35Z")
Ah. Now they’re adding a cash incentive for people to come here. Tricky business. ---
**Author:** ![tommie.frazier](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@tommie.frazier](https://community.goactuary.com/u/tommie.frazier)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/436 "2025-05-08T18:27:50Z")
given the administrations treatment of people who show up to hearings, is anyone brave/dumb enough to think this isn’t a giant sting and they are gonna just throw you in a van and send you to CECOT and you ain’t getting that lousy $1K? or the guy who takes it isn’t back on his job within a weekend of travel? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 11:10pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/437 "2025-05-08T23:10:08Z")
They are basically stretching the legal case as much as possible with BS arguments at this point. > **[Trump administration invokes state secrets privilege in Kilmar Ábrego García...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/08/trump-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-state-secrets)** > > Lawyers say they’re ‘still in dark’ about government’s efforts to free the man who was wrongly deported to El Salvador ---
**Author:** ![colonelsmoothie](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/colonelsmoothie/32/136_2.png) [@colonelsmoothie](https://community.goactuary.com/u/colonelsmoothie)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 10:00pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/438 "2025-05-09T22:00:48Z")
[https://www.npr.org/2025/05/09/nx-s1-5393055/tufts-student-rumeysa-ozturk-ordered-freed-from-immigration-detention](https://www.npr.org/2025/05/09/nx-s1-5393055/tufts-student-rumeysa-ozturk-ordered-freed-from-immigration-detention) ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 2:18am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/439 "2025-05-10T02:18:33Z")
FWIW, clearing immigration/customs upon my return to the US this evening was a non-event. I didn’t see people being dragged off to await flights to El Salvador; the border guards didn’t seem to care about gadgets. Loyalty tests weren’t being given… …but I was breezing through the Global Entry line, so 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 3:13am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/440 "2025-05-10T03:13:31Z")
I’m going to steal a post from another message board i frequent. I didn’t know the author super well, but he seems credible: Last night I proofread for a federal court reporter the transcript of a hearing (the second one in this case) about ICE’s efforts to deport a student after his visas were revoked because of events at a pro/anti Gaza war demonstration. I won’t go into identifying details, but the student’s actions occurred a year and a half ago, he’s worked out a plea deal in state court on the charges brought against him, and has a ticket already bought to fly to his home country as soon as he enters his plea. So, no problem, right? He finishes what he has to do and “self-deports”, no cost to the government, no effort by them, right? WRONG. ICE is insisting he has to be taken into custody by them, various paperwork and proceedings must happen, and THEN he’ll be deported – after weeks if not months in their custody, at the taxpayers’ expense. The judge hearing this case is clearly frustrated at the stupidity of it all but federal law surrounding all this is a hot mess, downright Kafkaesque. It seems clear from what the student’s and the government’s attorneys have been arguing that ICE is (a) insisting that their bureaucratic power is more important than any practical solution, and (b) that they want to punish the student for being pro-Palestinian (he’s from a different country). Oh, and I forgot to mention that despite his being in this country for a year and a half after the incident, and has gone back home and returned twice in that interval, no ICE action was being taken against him until a right-wing group doxxed him online and yelled about why hasn’t he been kicked out – and the very next day ICE shows up at his door. P.S. This was not a sealed hearing; any member of the public would have been entitled to attend it. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 3:15am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/441 "2025-05-10T03:15:31Z")
And an update, a couple days later: UPDATE: Final hearing yesterday and it’s over! The student made it to local court to resolve his case with no jail time, ICE grabbed him, he got brought to the federal court for a further hearing on his request for a temporary restraining order to keep ICE from disappearing him into their labyrinth, and the judge granted the TRO, told the government to release him, give all his seized personal property back, and let him fly home! His mother was present in court intending to fly home with him. The judge and staff stayed late to make sure they’d be available if ICE tried any last-minute shenanigans. As far as my source knows, he made it. Our judicial system has been wounded by this maladministration but there are plenty of judges pushing back against its assaults on the rule of law. ---
**Author:** ![now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/now_samantha/32/24815_2.png) [@now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/u/now_samantha)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2025, 1:37am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/442 "2025-05-11T01:37:52Z")
ICE smashed a car window, pulled the passenger out, arrested him, and then didn’t even bother to show up to his hearing because he was the wrong person. > **[Judge dismisses ICE case against New Bedford man](https://turnto10.com/news/local/judge-dismisses-ice-case-against-new-bedford-man-window-smashing-arrest-federal-agents-homeland-security-lawyer-immigration-asylum-behind-bars-may-8-2025)** > > A federal immigration judge has dismissed the case against a New Bedford man whose dramatic detainment by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents was c ---
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 1:07pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945/443 "2025-05-12T13:07:28Z")
> **[ICE agents battle mom clinging to baby in 'chaotic' video](https://www.newsweek.com/ice-agents-battle-mom-baby-chaotic-video-worcester-2070027)** > > Video appears to show agents pushing residents in Massachusetts after police received a report of approximately 25 individuals gathered around a federal agent. ICE break up a human circle made of neighborhood residents including a City Councilor trying to protect a mother and her teenage daughter and baby, push residents back, arrest two trying to protect them. ICE allegedly refused to produce a warrant. [Previous page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945.md?page=21) [Next page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/ice-ice-baby-and-cbp-stuff-too/9945.md?page=23)