How to Dedupe Republicans

I don’t think lawsuits are a big deal (see tort reform in Texas). But yes, Canada is particularly famous for having long waits. And broadly you might say that any policy, even if it’s overall a positive, has some kind of set back.

All that said, we’re not really talking about reasons; we’re talking about excuses. Most folks who are upset about long lines would happily wait in line for a month in order to save $10,000.

US health care is incredibly expensive (on average, etc.) and if folks seriously believed that changing to another system would save money, they would change to that system. But the cost of healthcare is very abstract, making it easy to convince people that any kind of government influence is expensive and bad.

Health-care is kind of the opposite of the brainwashing problem though.

It’s complex and abstract. Unlike voter-fraud.

Assuming you’re not dead within the month.

Eh.

Get hit by a truck or something?

I’d say its an individual vs society focus that correlates these. Also, the closer you live to other people, the more you face the realities of living in a society, hence urban populations being more liberal.

There you go again with words meant to unify.

But I did go back to the original post, and it seems you’re not suggesting that anyone that didn’t vote for Biden needs to be deprogrammed, is that correct? Only those who seem to believe that the election was stolen? Because I’m sure there are plenty of folks who did not vote for Biden and believe there may have been some voter fraud (when hasn’t there been, really), but aren’t out protesting the election results and have accepted that we have a new president. Are they brainwashed and in need of deprogramming as well?

Yes. The ones that believe the election was “stolen”, despite no evidence and numerous lost court cases.

That’s most but not all Republicans, and most but not all Trump voters.

And to further clarify, it’s not that the belief in voter-fraud is the brainwashing, it’s simply the most prominent and dangerous symptom.

Pretty bold assertion. Any concrete evidence to back up this particular claim?

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There have been several polls - but we know how well polls have been doing lately…

More recent:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/us/supporters-of-donald-trump.html

Accurate +/- 4%?

FWIW, belief that a problem exists with election voting/election fraud isn’t the same as a belief that the election was “stolen”.

I believe that there are areas where shenanigans are taking place, including with federal elections. However, I don’t think it amounts to the point of affecting the final outcome.

And I think that it is worth some level of investigation at some point in the near future and find ways to address significant findings.

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Besides quinnipac, you can check ipsos and morning consult (politico) and Pew.

If polls were accurate, Hilary would’ve been the first female President and Biden would’ve won by a landslide.

Accuracy numbers only reflect an assumed theory based on “how many” responded. Nowhere does that accuracy assess representation of the sample to the larger population. The accuracy only reflects how well the poll reflects that population represented by the sample.

If polls were accurate, Hilary would’ve been the first female President and Biden would’ve won by a landslide.

American elections are very close, generally. Hillary had something like a 4% lead in the polls, and she ended up with a 2% lead in the election.

Bidens polls were similarly close. It’s just that a “landslide” is very close to a normal win.

Next GOP nominee will be all over the election fraud shit and Democratic pedophiles serving children as pizza toppings ('cause that’s what pedophiles do, right?), because that is what will win the GOP nomination. And the GOP leaders will fall in line regardless of their own personal beliefs, because working in politics is better than no job at all.

I question media sources. They don’t generally publish the questions/statements used in their polling and still make broad generalizations to fit some political agenda.

Even the “non-partisan” groups still have a political agenda they’re looking to push–it’s just not often tied to just one party or the other.

I’m not sure what media you refer to, but I only read media that publish the questions/statements. I agree that wording is very important. Most also have a link to the questionnaire, the data, and the averaging methodology.

Certainly some polls are better than others, so it’s good to check several, and know which ones are the best. 538 is the king of polls if you want to understand it further, it’s very interesting, from a math/actuary perspective. Here’s a teaser article, in case you’re curious:

I love 538 because they think like good actuaries, and use similar methods to good actuaries, and ask questions like good actuaries, and they explain things like they are human beings (not actuaries).

So you think most of 74M Trump voters have been brainwashed and are in need of deprogramming?

Yes. Literally tens of millions of Americans incorrectly believe that the US Presidential Election was stolen based solely on easily verified lies.

Yes, that’s a lot of people. That’s why it’s terrifying.

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