# Global Warming **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [January 1, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673 "2021-01-01T16:45:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/368 "2024-05-17T22:25:17Z")
Well, this is definitely not good. For every 1C of warming, we could take a 12% GDP hit in the aggregate sense. > [@](#): > > The economic damage wrought by climate change is six times worse than previously thought, with global heating set to shrink wealth at a rate consistent with the level of financial losses of a continuing permanent war, research has found. > > A 1C increase in global temperature leads to a 12% decline in world gross domestic product (GDP), the researchers found, a far higher estimate than that of previous analyses. The world has already warmed by more than 1C (1.8F) since pre-industrial times and many climate scientists predict a 3C (5.4F) rise will occur by the end of this century due to the ongoing burning of fossil fuels, a scenario that the [new working paper, yet to be peer-reviewed, states](https://www.nber.org/papers/w32450?utm_campaign=ntwh&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntwg1) will come with an enormous economic cost. > > A 3C temperature increase will cause “precipitous declines in output, capital and consumption that exceed 50% by 2100” the paper states. This economic loss is so severe that it is “comparable to the economic damage caused by fighting a war domestically and permanently”, it adds. > > “There will still be some economic growth happening but by the end of the century people may well be 50% poorer than they would’ve been if it wasn’t for climate change,” said Adrien Bilal, an economist at Harvard who wrote the paper with Diego Känzig, an economist at Northwestern University. > **[Economic damage from climate change six times worse than thought – report](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/17/economic-damage-climate-change-report)** > > A 1C increase in global temperature leads to a 12% decline in world gross domestic product, researchers have found ---
**Author:** ![Indy](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@Indy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Indy)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 3:29am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/369 "2024-05-18T03:29:34Z")
I skimmed the paper. This is interesting: > When we start the economy in 1960 and feed in the historical path of warming until 2024, our counterfactuals indicate that world GDP per capita would be 37% higher today had no warming occurred between 1960 and 2024 instead of the actual 0.75°C increase in global mean temperatures During that time period, actual global per capita GDP tripled. Of course, one driver of the increase in per capita GDP is the benefits of increasing our exploitation of fossil fuels, which produced the CO2 that led to the warming. That 37% is from a model the is populated with assumptions derived from correlations involving short term fluctuations in temperatures. I couldn’t find anything that talked about the physical mechanism that converted the warmer temps to long term reduction in GDP. I can imagine a mechanism. Maybe higher temps increased the number of hurricanes which destroyed physical capital (primarily buildings). Rebuilding used human labor that might have been employed creating some other capital goods (I can’t think exactly what that would be). The lack of those goods reduced long term GDP. It shouldn’t reduce short term GDP (because re-building is economic activity). But, my comment is that the paper doesn’t seem to have any discussion of that. There in no correlation between short term warmings and short term weather disasters, for example. Maybe for the researchers doing all the math, their results are really convincing. For me, it’s just a model built on some correlations with nothing to really grab onto. Other researchers may be impressed, I just can’t visualize the cause-effect mechanism. ---
**Author:** ![The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_president/32/70075_2.png) [@The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_President)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/370 "2024-05-18T12:45:17Z")
If they studied the costs of warmer temperatures and ignored the benefits of cheap energy, sure, they are going to get to a scary number. It might be an interesting number, but it does not make a good argument for taking a different path. A potentially scarier number is the inequality that global warming has created. I dont think the costs on the US have been that high, and we have been one of the largest beneficiaries of cheap energy during that time. I am sure that study exists, probably elsewhere in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Indy](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@Indy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Indy)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/371 "2024-05-18T19:33:57Z")
> [@The\_President](#): > > If they studied the costs of warmer temperatures and ignored the benefits of cheap energy, sure, they are going to get to a scary number. I think the authors of this particular study would say that they subtracted the benefits of cheap energy by backing out the global secular growth in per capita GDP and just looked at variation around the long term trend. They also say that virtually all regions suffered losses. But, again, the method to me is to look at short term correlations between GDP and short term temperature variations, then develop numbers they could plug into a long term model. ---
**Author:** ![Cooke](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/cooke/32/15467_2.png) [@Cooke](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Cooke)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/372 "2024-05-19T18:42:23Z")
Interesting article on Mexico City’s water crisis. Climate change could be a factor here but overpopulation, poor planning and lack of infrastructure investment are also culprits. [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/18/world/americas/mexico-city-water.html?unlocked\_article\_code=1.tE0.HL7Q.uiP8dI9WA2yR&smid=url-share](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/18/world/americas/mexico-city-water.html?unlocked_article_code=1.tE0.HL7Q.uiP8dI9WA2yR&smid=url-share) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/373 "2024-05-19T18:53:06Z")
This is climate change in a nutshell. What were once 1 in 100 year events, have now become 1 in 30 year events leading to widespread economic damage. > **[Brazil counts cost of worst-ever floods with little hope of waters receding soon](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/19/brazil-floods-toll)** > > Death toll in southern state of Rio Grande do Sul increasing daily as authorities plan four ‘tent cities’ for 77,000 displaced people ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/374 "2024-05-19T21:40:46Z")
How many 1 in 500 year events has Houston had in the last 10 years? ---
**Author:** ![SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/srednivashtar/32/2894_2.png) [@SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SredniVashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/375 "2024-05-19T22:30:48Z")
That’s just the Tribulation. Perfectly natural. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/376 "2024-05-19T22:38:07Z")
That question directed at me? I have no idea. We live in the UK and Brazil right now, hence my focus. I was in Rio in February and the heat was way worse than normal (El Niño effect contributed), so excessive precipitation was likely as a consequence. Here is an article from the FT (gift link) that is covering the evolving flood situation in the south of Brazil (Rio Grande do Sul). [https://on.ft.com/4amLXfa](https://on.ft.com/4amLXfa) The flood graphic below tracks the strength of the flooding over the last 20+ years. ![Screenshot_20240520_122642_Samsung Internet](https://community.goactuary.com/uploads/default/original/3X/3/3/33a88c43f8cc9dc7626aa2f4425c7e72f67f353e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 11:55am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/377 "2024-05-20T11:55:05Z")
Was just throwing it out there as an example. ---
**Author:** ![SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/srednivashtar/32/2894_2.png) [@SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SredniVashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/378 "2024-05-30T21:46:41Z")
[https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01442-3](https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01442-3) If I’m reading this correctly? they estimate that our 2020 shipping regulations (reducing sulfur aerosols) is doubling the rate of global warming this decade. ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/379 "2024-05-30T22:17:11Z")
The finding seems to be disputed where the paper used a very simple model which may not account for a bunch of key couplings. ---
**Author:** ![SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/srednivashtar/32/2894_2.png) [@SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SredniVashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/380 "2024-06-05T15:14:44Z")
Yes, they admit to doing back-of-the-napkin math. But I don’t know, it’s Nature, so I assume they at least checked it over. Do you have better studies/estimates? ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/381 "2024-06-05T17:06:44Z")
Science and Nature often publish stuff that wouldn’t be accepted without some significant revisions in journals that are closer to the specific topics because key details are being glossed over. I’ve seen it a few times for fish related stuff. Colleagues have tried writing critiques of some studies, but the journal publishing the original study often won’t accept them. I wouldn’t expect to see the critiques to be published for a few months to a year plus just due to the time needed to complete a more detailed analysis, plus writing time and then peer review ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/382 "2024-06-05T17:08:47Z")
$500k+ in destroyed value due to climate change/sea level rise in the Outer Banks, NC. Don’t buy real estate on barrier islands. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/05/28/rodanthe-home-collapse/?pwapi\_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzE3MTI4MDAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzE4NTEwMzk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MTcxMjgwMDAsImp0aSI6IjhjNjhlODYxLTA0OGMtNGMyNC1iMGIxLTUyNDMwZjFjNDIxNyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9jbGltYXRlLWVudmlyb25tZW50LzIwMjQvMDUvMjgvcm9kYW50aGUtaG9tZS1jb2xsYXBzZS8ifQ.IAI-T6OSrEMweyz\_dVFDqrufS3mZkayRZ8bIP-7XxdY](https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/05/28/rodanthe-home-collapse/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzE3MTI4MDAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzE4NTEwMzk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MTcxMjgwMDAsImp0aSI6IjhjNjhlODYxLTA0OGMtNGMyNC1iMGIxLTUyNDMwZjFjNDIxNyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9jbGltYXRlLWVudmlyb25tZW50LzIwMjQvMDUvMjgvcm9kYW50aGUtaG9tZS1jb2xsYXBzZS8ifQ.IAI-T6OSrEMweyz_dVFDqrufS3mZkayRZ8bIP-7XxdY) ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 5:13pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/383 "2024-06-05T17:13:03Z")
> [@Fish\_Actuary](#): > > $500k+ in destroyed value due to climate change/sea level rise in the Outer Banks, NC. Don’t buy real estate on barrier islands . I take it there is a robust market in valuing this house at $500K. “Don’t worry, insurance will cover it!” ---
**Author:** ![knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/knoath/32/65607_2.png) [@knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/knoath)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/384 "2024-06-05T17:41:15Z")
> [@Fish\_Actuary](#): > > $500k+ in destroyed value due to climate change/sea level rise in the Outer Banks, NC. Don’t buy real estate on barrier islands. “Maintaining that beach over 30 years would cost more than **$175 million**.” \textcolor{red}{\text{Totally worth it.}} ---
**Author:** ![Indy](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@Indy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Indy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 5:46pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/385 "2024-06-05T17:46:58Z")
The amazing thing is that the $500k value comes from the last selling price – in 2021. I can’t imagine that. ---
**Author:** ![knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/knoath/32/65607_2.png) [@knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/knoath)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/386 "2024-06-05T17:53:21Z")
The 2021 sellers dodged a bullet. ---
**Author:** ![now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/now_samantha/32/24815_2.png) [@now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/u/now_samantha)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673/387 "2024-06-05T17:53:32Z")
I live 1/4 mile from the beach, and almost every house between me and the beach has flooding problems. Despite that, there are 2 new constructions going up along the road from my house to the beach, and a couple more that were finished semi-recently. It’s crazy to me. One of the recently finished projects is elevated, but the ones in progress are not. (And the one that is elevated was done so partially so that they can park their BMW and their boat underneath their living space.) [Previous page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673.md?page=18) [Next page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/global-warming/1673.md?page=20)