Well I was objecting to your blanket categorization of pizza as “junk food”.
If you are stepping back from that stance then fine.
I’m not sure a deli sandwich is materially better for you than a similar quantity of Costco frozen cheese pizza… maybe slightly if you’re adding lettuce & tomato to the sandwich.
I typically add veggies to frozen pizza and/or serve with a side salad so I don’t know that that’s significantly worse than deli sandwiches and it might even be better.
Nice for us to have that option.
I expect there is an even greater divide on obesity prevalence by socioeconomic status than by rural/urban status.
Without reading the article my baseline understanding is that super fresh produce is healthier than frozen, but frozen is healthier than produce that’s sat in your fridge or on your counter for 3+ days. (I’m not positive that 3 is the correct cutoff and it may vary by item but something in that order of magnitude.)
Frozen foods are frozen at the optimal time in terms of freshness, so while the freezing take a little out of them nutrient-wise, it’s not much, especially compared to sitting around and not getting eaten.
S_V’s description sounds more like a liquor store.
Yes, that’s pretty much it. If you can eat super fresh produce within a few days of being picked, that’s better. However much of the fresh produce we buy is older than that when we get around to eating it. Additionally, fresh produce is often picked when it is not ripe so that it lasts longer. Frozen is picked when it is ripe and frozen within a few hours.
I’ve never once seen donuts, ice cream, candy bars, cookies, or brownies in a liquor store. Cigarettes I have no idea because I don’t smoke. Sodas… maybe a few very basic ones like Coke Classic and Pepsi and 7-Up (for use as mixers presumably) but that’s about it… not the hundreds of skus like in a grocery store. Booze… well… ya… a liquor store has that.
But I think S-V’s description sounds exactly like a typical grocery store.
I’m beginning to think you don’t spend much time in typical grocery stores. You don’t seem to know what they’re like.
Well, shitty processed foods cost less. (Awaiting a nit to be picked…) Nutrient-filled processed foods will cost more, but often taste less.
And those of a higher socioeconomic status generally have more free (and not-tired) time and have the choice to use it to move around.
The general advice is to stick to the walls of the store (a regular store, not a liquor store) where the produce, dairy, meat, deli are. Yeah, the bakery is usually there, too.
For the thread, though, in political: I recommend lowering subsidies over a, say, 10-year period. It might get bipartisan traction, knowing that the pain is spread across multiple Congresses and Presidents. Shocks to the economic system are not advised (IMO).
There are exceptions, but generally, sure.
I mean dried beans are very inexpensive and full of protein… a great way to feed your family on a budget. But they’re also a PITA. You have to soak them overnight and then make a recipe that contains them the next day. A lot of effort… you’d be better off financially in the short run (not counting the medical expense of your decision) working an extra hour and paying for something more processed.
So that’s only sort of an exception.
Yeah that would be great but it would still take more backbone than I think anyone in either party has.
Iowa is an early primary state.
From memory (some items missing, I’m sure you’ll point it out) from left to right as one walks in, the aisles:
Produce
Liquor (two: one for cold beers, the other for wine and spirits; nice stuff in a locked glass cabinet)
Pasta, pasta sauces, canned tomatoes, ethnic section
Soups
Coffee and tea; Yogurt, butter
Cheese, processed meats; ice cream and other yummies
Frozen shit
Frozen shit; spreads (PB, etc.)
Baking goods; baking utensils and spices
Processed Fruity drinks, water
Processed Soda drinks
Cleaning supplies
Pet food and supplies
Personal hygiene and simple medicine products
Bread; bakery; deli
Back wall: dairy; meat; Pharmacy.
This is the local Safeway-owned store.
I feel sorry for the richest citizens in Vancouver as, unlike me, they can’t walk to their local grocery stores because of the barren enclaves they live in. Give me a neighbourhood with everything in walking distance any day.
I am overwhelmed by the food choices I have close to home in addition to the big chains: lots of green grocers and specialty stores. Our go to for fresh produce is our Persian market which also has incredible mazafati dates. I expect DTNF also has Persian markets given LA has a large Iranian population like Vancouver.
Not really. Though there’s some more distinction if you pick it apart by race/gender/education etc.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/237141/us-obesity-by-annual-income/
The term I used was “corner-store”. Which is where I tend to walk when I run out of milk / butter / bread. They are a block away. They are kin to gas-stations and pharmacies, which might have a couple boxes of cereal or something as well.
The supermarket is more like a mile away, so I don’t usually walk. That’s probably what you are thinking of. The supermarket also has all sorts of junk, of course, but it has all sorts of everything.
You’re forgetting donuts, ice cream, candy bars, cookies, brownies, scratch-offs, and cigarettes.
As luck would have it, I needed some dried aleppo for a recipe (Alton Brown’s whole chicken, which I think I posted recently) and couldn’t find it in the chains, but there was a local Indian store that had all sorts of spices.
I’m not all that close to LA and wouldn’t drive 20-90 miles (it’s a big area with lots of ethnically-centralized neighborhoods) or so to the local Persian (or Syrian) neighborhood for one item.
My local grocery store kind of sucks. If I’m driving I’ll typically drive right past it to another of the same brand that is 4 miles away which is much better.
BUT… the close one is 0.5 miles away and it IS nice to be able to walk there when the weather is nice and I don’t need a ton.
Hmm:
There are fresh donuts in the bakery that I mentioned.
Ice cream is in the ice cream section that I mentioned.
Candy bars.. yeah there is an aisle with candy, greeting cards, and seasonal (more candy) items.
Cookies, brownies: bakery.
Scratch-offs and other lottery: in the front of the store
Cigarettes: locked up in the front of the store. This is CA, a nicer, more educated part, so cigarettes are not a big selling item. Shittier, less educated parts of USA might roll differently, and I wish they would be more educated and less shitty.
Major reason I neglected these is that I consciously don’t buy these things. And I don’t have any annoyances asking for them, and if I did, I wouldn’t relent.
If you’re aware that they exist in grocery stores, why did you say SV’a description was more like a liquor store than a grocery store?
