Flock Cameras yeah or nay?

My doorbell is a mechanical button that triggers an electric chime.

My husband gave me an Alexa for Christmas one year, but after having it play Christmas Carols on Christmas Day, i unplugged it.

But… I do carry a cell phone. If Google wants to bug me, it can.

You know, when Bush the younger became president, i observed that he cared a lot about his personal privacy and hoped that would improve privacy for the rest of us. I was disabused of that notion very quickly. :pleading_face:

How do you propose we force transparency on the powerful?

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It’d be tempting to call for GDPR to be adopted in the US, and extended to government operations…but that’ll never happen.

On a related note, the NYT has an article on a Chinese police dashboard used for monitoring folks’ activities (gift link): https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/02/world/asia/china-surveillance-foreigners-database.html?unlocked_article_code=1.2lA.fJkL.gi4vNoHOl7j9&smid=url-share

Last Week Tonight looks at police surveillance. (NSFW because…John Oliver.)

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This says gift article. I hope it works. Pretty long detailed article about people who have been surveilled and those cops miss using the surveillance apparatus. Pretty sure they were all cops but now I wonder who at Home Depot and Lowes and others have access and what they can access.

How rogue officers turned a nationwide camera network into a tool for stalking

Flock’s array of license-plate cameras was built to fight crime. But at least 50 law enforcement officers were charged with or accused of misusing it and other systems.

https://wapo.st/3RoU0Vu

Definite nay. Has already been proven to be subject to abuse.

Want to see flock cameras in your area?

My city is pretty bad with surveillance, and the cops misusing it. Here’s the local org fighting back:

Are the people running that org ready to be flocked, repeatedly?

Very few in my town. More around the Lowe’s/Home Depot lots in town than in the rest of the town.
I know where to flip the bird, though.

I’m sure they know the risks. If you followed the cop city news at all, police and prosecutors here will go to extreme lengths to go after general unfriendliness towards law enforcement

The two closest to me seemed odd at first - near a major road, but aimed directly away from it. Then I realized what it is is that they are aimed away from a small group of Section 8 apartments. So they’re not watching the Section 8 housing, they’re watching if some leaves the Section 8 housing and drives toward more expensive housing.

The next closest one is odd. There are two cameras at pretty much the same location aimed in exactly the same direction. Why would they do that?

Are they basically on opposite sides of the street they’re point toward?

No. It dawned on me later that maybe two people reported the same camera with slightly different locations, so it appears as two but there is only one.

I have on my list to drive there and spot the actual camera(s) to verify.

There is one in my town. I’m not sure what it’s looking at. An intersection. But why?

They read license plates.

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A vehicle of interest approaches an intersection. They turn left, turn right, or proceed straight.

The installation not only picks up on the vehicle having passed the camera; it may be able to tell what direction it went from there.

From what I’ve heard on the police scanner, when there’s a retail crime issue (the ones I hear are usually shoplifting), the retailer can frequently only reliably communicate a vehicle description (e.g. “Green Nissan”). Put in a query to Flock for green Nissans that were seen by the nearby camera close to the time they were reported as fleeing…and you’ve got a license plate, and possibly photos of the front-seat occupants.

I’m suddenly seeing a bunch of camera icons on Waze. I wonder if people are starting to report the locations of these Flock cameras.

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UK article, but I think the answer is similar here:

In my state I think the red light cameras and school zone speeding cameras may show up on Waze.

Big Brother…I mean Google…caused the YouTube algorithm to serve this video to me, which may be of interest in the context of this thread:

I never encountered this YouTuber’s videos before, so I can’t attest to their credibility and am inclined to take with a few grains of salt…but it’s interesting at least.

Jeez, should I even click to watch that video??? (tfh)

It’s a lawyer going into some of the legal considerations around Flock vs privacy. The actual content seems plausible to me, but there’s a bit of content creator fluff garnishing it (e.g. the clickbait thumbnail).

Dude’s no Legal Eagle, but it’s not giving me excessive wingnut vibes either.

I’m watching. But I’m more concerned that someone somewhere knows that I watched.