Sure, it has allegedly 317 miles of range – as long as you don’t stand on the accelerator at every green light. But it is still difficult (probably impossible for the innumerate) to determine just how much the charge per mile will be.
Need a MPG-equivalent. It would be Miles Per kWh.
OK, so for this car, assuming not driving it the way it was built for the customers who will want it;
316 miles of range, a 94kWh battery. So, 3.376 miles per kWh.
Then, based on the cost of electricity (and if powering with home solar, the calculation just got more complicated) at one’s home (mainly), one could determine the cost per mile.
Where I’m at, 1 kWh costs 16 cents. So, 4.74 cents per mile? At the cheapest, most modest, most EPA-like driving behavior.
Then again:
“Better efficiency? Better range? I don’t care. This is about performance.” –Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis
Um, Guessing that range number will never get met by the purchasers.
Still at my current $5/gal and 25mpg that’s 20 cents per mile. I’d have to drop that range down (by punching it at every green light) to 75 miles or so. Braking real hard will help, though.
5 minutes? I thought you meant bringing your own food. I guess it could be done if you sprinted to the restroom and then to the fast food joint, ordered the food ahead of time and it was waiting for you when you got there. Not a particularly restful stop. Dang! Now I feel like a burger.
“With a claimed 5838-pound curb weight, the electric Charger is roughly 1500 pounds heavier than its V-8 predecessor.”
Oof, that’s a LOT of weight even by EV standards. That’s 1,400lb heavier than my Model Y Performance. I suspect much of that is due to the 100kWh (appx 94 usable kWh) battery, I think my Tesla has a ~80kWh battery with 75kWh usable.
The ICE Dodge Charger was never a lightweight, but I think three tons is a bit much.
To say nothing of the degrading of streets without gas tax revenue. Probably need to start taxing electricity a little more. Yeah, everyone pays instead of the specific people driving EVs. More complicated schemes would render EVs not economically advantageous vs ICE vehicles. At annual vehicle registration, perhaps? Just base the fees on vehicle weight alone.
I’m assuming that (other than “pump gas”) that stuff is all more or less the same for EV and ICE, so I was focusing on the one part that is different.
And I said that 2 minutes vs 5 minutes is “close enough”, and yes, the reason is because that 2 minutes is part of a larger process. So I feel like I addressed those concerns. It sounds like you have a larger range on what you consider to be “close enough” than I do, but that’s clearly a judgment call. Every incremental step closer is meaningful and decreases the inconvenience of taking an EV on a road trip.
Yeah, using the gas tax to fund the roads worked really well for the first 80 years or so. Gasoline usage was a close enough proxy for “amount of wear & tear on the roads” that it was a pretty fair system, and the people who “overpaid” relative to their usage were rich folks driving gas guzzling sports cars, who are not a sympathetic lot, so nobody cared, probably not even them to a large extent.
I think getting rid of the gasoline tax altogether and switching to a registration taxed based on vehicle weight makes a lot of sense. Problem is that lower income folks might not have it all at once, so you’d probably have to have a mechanism to collect it monthly.
I think we’re both picking nits to an extent, I just wanted to point out what’s more important is total time lost due to stopping, and a chunk of lost time is just slowing down and getting to the gas station or charger. You did concede there is a ‘close enough’ point and that is subjective.
In the ‘pro EV’ column, Tesla chargers don’t require you to fiddle with a credit card. I just pull up and plug in, they have my card on file. So subtract one minute or so for not having to deal with payment if you use a Tesla charger!
Dumb question: how do they know it’s you in your Tesla and not me in mine? (Obviously they must actually know that… just curious what the mechanism is.)
Yep, the car and charger communicate and Tesla has my CC on file. The car also communicates things like how fast to charge at any given moment. So you don’t try putting 350kW into a car with a 250kW max. And as the battery fills up the kW taper off etc. And if the charger senses it’s too hot it can lower the rate of charge as well. Safety first!
I’m old enough to have watched (actually not watched) while at the same time also owning a turbocharged car.
So, I had to answer, “Where’s the turbo button?” with snide remarks about the physics of a turbocharger.
Regarding federal rebates: Is there a limit on the amount of income one has?
Asking for a friend, who “earned” someone else’s taxable IRA. Or would this not be included in the income determination?
This friend will have to wait until next year to get the rebate if so.
$300k for married filing jointly, $150k for single folks. Based on MAGI, I don’t know how that IRA works but if it’s MAGI then I think it counts. And double check me on this, but the rule used to be that if you met it LAST year that works. That is, if you’re buying in 2024 then you need to be under the cap in 2023 OR 2024 (or both), but I’m not sure that is still true so worth fact checking.
“…Dollar for dollar, subsidizing EVs for Americans is a subsidy to the rest of the world to use more fossil energy and cause more emissions, a reality that can’t escape political notice forever. …”
GM Doesn’t Tell the Truth About EVs
If the U.S. and allies become failed states, blame their energy and climate delusions.
