Any estimate that reflects reality?
I’m told their highway range is about 340-350 miles, with the usual caveats. And if you’re using 10%-80% then more like 250 miles between DC chargers on long trips.
Unless you can drop $115k on the GT model, 485 mile EPA range. 400+ in the real world and about 300 miles of range using 10%-80%.
If I win the lottery or my company IPOs at a crazy valuation I’d maybe buy a Lucid Air Touring.
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You win! It was a Bolt.
She switched for a Fusion Hybrid . Zero stops through the SJV, which at one point was 113 degrees.
This solid state battery Samsung is manufacturing sound promising…
600 miles of range, can be charged in 9 minutes and has a 20 year lifetime.
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More claims that cannot yet be verified. Put them in a car – heck I would hope that these could immediately replace whatever shot batteries are in cars now – and then get some real data. Range, time to charge on chargers that exist today in the USA, etc.
I mean, 600 miles assuming what kind of driving? How much
Cannonball Run it. I’m surprised someone hasn’t done that already.
“All-solid-state batteries can enhance safety by replacing liquid components with solid ones. When used in the same pack size as existing products, they reduce weight and take up less space,” highlighted the company.
Or, you can squish more into the same space, meaning a longer range. (And more horsepower, which when used shortens range.)
I’m not denouncing the science. I’m denouncing the hype without investigation.
I like where this is going, but data are needed, and not from the manufacturer.
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Sounded like the batteries are being put into cars. I’m guessing prototypes as it seems like the production line won’t be fully operational til 2027.
Apparently the industry has been promising solid state coming soon for the last 8 years or so. I’m sure it will arrive eventually.
The tendency of the industry to constantly talk about upcoming innovations can backfire - If the gamechanging breakthrough is due out in 3 years, why not hold off until then to buy an EV?
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How much is involved in replacing a battery in an existing car? I mean, I can hold out buying a PHEV for a other few years until the Prius has these installed, but I can also just buy an outdated PHEV Prius and install one of these instead. Assuming the science is true, of course.
Last thing I’ll do is buy a car from some car company who has no idea how to make cars, but who makes good batteries.
I guess that would depend a lot on compatibility. I have no idea if what you propose is feasible, easy or cost effective.
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Seems to be a pretty big market for them. But maybe the “only in new cars and force current owners to buy new instead of improving what they already have” is a better market. For car makers. A battery company should not give two shits who buys their batteries.
Imagine Duracell making a new battery in AA size, then saying, “Sorry, they are not compatible with your current TV remote. You have to buy this new remote, from us.”
Here is where the math comes from in the headline:
Samsung’s oxide solid-state battery technology boasts an energy density of 500 Wh/kg, nearly double the 270 Wh/kg density of mainstream EV batteries.
This increased density could potentially double the driving range of current electric vehicles.
Oh, and this fudgy-the-whale fudging:
Besides, Samsung’s claim of 9-minute charging likely refers to the standard metric of charging a battery from 10% or 20% to 80% capacity rather than a full charge from 0% to 100%.
As usual, wiki is my friend, so catching up on this topic:
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I’d think it would be similar to doing a major update to an existing car model. I’m guessing they’ve got some standardized battery shapes at this point and the engineers figure out where and how many of the different battery shapes are needed.
I don’t think it’s going to be a case of them upgrading cars that have already been sold.
I’m not following your logic here. Changing the battery system in a car seems like a massive change to the vehicle. You’d have to make major changes to both the electrical system and the software that runs it. Unless you’re up for a major project, I’m not sure why someone would do this to a car they’ve already bought.
This seems more like something a manufacturer would adopt for a new model year of the car while updating everything else.
They’d do it if they needed a new battery. Why put in old tech when the new tech is available? Well, besides the cost, which appear to be pretty high.
The new tech may not be compatible with the operating software and the wiring of the car?
I can’t necessarily pop every new, better CPU on the motherboard of my existing computer. Because of differences in pin configuration, power requirements, etc., only certain CPUs are compatible with my 4 year old motherboard (and software).
Then they are missing a valuable market. That car companies will compensate them for that is arguable (meaning, it might not be true – I do see a lot of battery companies collaborating with car companies).
We are talking batteries. Simple in-out of electrons.
They could be made (sized, connections, etc.) to replace EV batteries. Will they? Should EV batteries only be compatible with the EV car they are in? That sounds extremely inefficient, though probably more profitable for those selling cars and the batteries within
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Or the realities of the electronics just doesn’t allow it. You probably need a much different wire gauge to handle the current needed for charging a high energy density battery vs. a low density battery at the maximum safe rate.
Then I guess I’ll wait – a few years after the cars come to market. Geez, I’m gonna be REAL old by then!
Also, we don’t have any of those “nine-minute” high-charging stations that China barely does. I wouldn’t be out on the road-tripping anyways in one of these.
Also, it is faster to fill up only to about half-full, and to do that more often.
(Not so with gas).
And way more convenient to be able to charge at home and not bother with the hyped “nine-minute” claimed stat.