# Death Penalty poll and discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856 "2024-01-30T18:53:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/41 "2024-09-24T14:33:07Z")
100% without doubt Bieber was assaulted on camera more than a few times. There were many cases of adult women groping him in public. Whether more sexual assault occurred, I haven’t followed the news closely enough to be informed, but as a minor he was definitely sexually assaulted. He’s not alone in having that minimized, but it’s especially minimized for women toward boys. There’s still a declining but always voiced opinion of “Good for that kid who was molested by a teacher, wish I could be him!” ---
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/42 "2024-09-25T15:33:40Z")
Thought this would be a good thread to bump, since we just murdered somebody who’s likely innocent and this was known prior to execution. > **[Marcellus Williams is executed despite prosecutors and the victim’s family...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/24/us/marcellus-williams-scheduled-execution-date/index.html)** > > Marcellus Williams, whose murder conviction was questioned by a prosecutor, died by lethal injection Tuesday evening in Missouri after the US Supreme Court denied a stay. RIP. ---
**Author:** ![3rookie](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/3/e0b2c6/32.png) [@3rookie](https://community.goactuary.com/u/3rookie)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/43 "2024-09-25T17:35:05Z")
After reading the entire article, “likely innocent” is an overstatement. ---
**Author:** ![Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/rastiln/32/77682_2.png) [@Rastiln](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Rastiln)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/44 "2024-09-25T18:02:19Z")
I think you would at least agree that his conviction was not “beyond a reasonable doubt” with the new information, and he was nonetheless killed. ---
**Author:** ![R\_Daneel\_Olivaw](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/r_daneel_olivaw/32/420_2.png) [@R\_Daneel\_Olivaw](https://community.goactuary.com/u/R_Daneel_Olivaw)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/45 "2024-09-25T18:16:12Z")
You should re-read that portion of the article. There is enough there to sustain a conviction even with the murder weapon DNA evidence being contaminated. Confession, witness saw him dispose of bloody clothes, possession of the murdered persons property… ---
**Author:** ![stochiki](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@stochiki](https://community.goactuary.com/u/stochiki)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/46 "2024-09-25T18:21:39Z")
The bare minimum for the death penalty is a near 100% probability that the crime was committed by that person. If there was a 99.5% chance, I wouldn’t agree to the death penalty. ---
**Author:** ![NormalDan](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/normaldan/32/1013_2.png) [@NormalDan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/NormalDan)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/47 "2024-09-25T19:11:11Z")
Reading the wikipedia page doesn’t strike me an obviously miscarriage of justice. There was some fuss at the very end but the courts themselves said it was a rehash of prior appeals. ---
**Author:** ![NormalDan](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/normaldan/32/1013_2.png) [@NormalDan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/NormalDan)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/48 "2024-09-25T21:31:22Z")
I read more about it, none of the forensic evidence at the scene matched him. It does strike me as a terrible outcome… ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 1:24am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/49 "2024-09-26T01:24:12Z")
The element I find particularly troublesome is that the panel the prior governor commissioned to investigate the questions about the trial and evidence was simply dissolved and the stay revoked. I can understand a new governor being frustrated that the panel had taken six years…and the article doesn’t mention them having actually done anything. However, ethrically, if there was enough of a question to justify convening such a group, the execution shouldn’t move forward unless/until the group affirms the verdict. > [@stochiki](#): > > The bare minimum for the death penalty is a near 100% probability that the crime was committed by that person. If there was a 99.5% chance, I wouldn’t agree to the death penalty. :iatp: ---
**Author:** ![Ted\_Hoffman](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/ted_hoffman/32/83127_2.png) [@Ted\_Hoffman](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Ted_Hoffman)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/50 "2024-09-26T16:33:58Z")
I’ve probably said this elsewhere, but I’ll say it here: while I have zero problems with using the death penalty, it should be really rare and reserved for situations where there’s **zero** question as to whether the accused is guilty. Which, brings us to: > **[Oklahoma man executed by lethal injection despite conflicting evidence](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/26/oklahoma-man-execution-conflicting-evidence-emmanuel-littlejohn)** > > Emmanuel Littlejohn will be executed for role in 1992 shooting, which would be state’s third execution this year Which, if the criteria for using the death penalty is “pulled the trigger,” fine - but if it’s mere involvement, then the other guy involved should have had the death penalty as well. And, to add to this since we apparently missed this one: > **[South Carolina executes first man in 13 years despite new evidence of innocence](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/20/south-carolina-death-row-prisoner-execution)** > > Khalil Divine Black Sun Allah, 46, killed by lethal injection days after state’s key witness recanted critical testimony But remember: the pro-life party is **very** pro-death when it comes to punishment. Gotta preserve life if there’s any question as to whether it exists or not, gotta snuff out life if there’s any question as to whether innocence exists or not. ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 4:35pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/51 "2024-09-26T16:35:09Z")
> [@Ted\_Hoffman](#): > > But remember: the pro-life party is **very** pro-death when it comes to punishment. Well, not for white people. ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/52 "2024-09-26T18:39:38Z")
Not for white people who wear red hats, at least. ---
**Author:** ![knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/knoath/32/65607_2.png) [@knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/knoath)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/53 "2024-09-26T19:29:44Z")
> [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](#): > > Not for white people who wear red hats, at least Germany had the brown shirts. Italy had the black shirts. We get the red hats. ---
**Author:** ![Ted\_Hoffman](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/ted_hoffman/32/83127_2.png) [@Ted\_Hoffman](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Ted_Hoffman)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/54 "2024-10-18T01:53:36Z")
Yet another reminder that the party that loves to bleat about how it’s very pro-life is in fact nothing more than pro-birth, because when it comes to administering punishment when someone dies it’s **very** pro-death. > **[Texas execution tied to 'shaken baby syndrome' death is in limbo amid legal...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-set-execute-robert-roberson-shaken-baby-syndrome-case-rcna175696)** > > Robert Roberson had been set to die Thursday for the 2002 death of his 2-year-old daughter. Among those who believe he is innocent is the former lead detective on the case. ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/55 "2024-12-23T17:07:24Z")
Being lazy, I chose the first likely thread… Looks like Biden commuted the death sentences of all but 3 people on Federal death row. > **[Biden Commutes Sentences Of All Federal Death Row Inmates — Except These Three](https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/just-in-biden-commutes-sentences-of-all-federal-death-row-inmates-except-these-three/)** > > Biden commuted the death sentences of all federal death row inmates except three, converting them to life in prison without parole, in a decision Monday. ---
**Author:** ![knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/knoath/32/65607_2.png) [@knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/knoath)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/56 "2024-12-23T17:10:29Z")
He saved Dylan Roof for Trump to commute. ---
**Author:** ![FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@FormerActuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/FormerActuary)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/57 "2024-12-23T19:38:35Z")
I don’t get it. If you oppose the death penalty, it shouldn’t matter what the crime was. If you’re commuting sentences because you oppose the death penalty, do all of them. Don’t exclude those 3. Personally, I’m in favor of the death penalty. ---
**Author:** ![YankeeTripper](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/yankeetripper/32/946_2.png) [@YankeeTripper](https://community.goactuary.com/u/YankeeTripper)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/58 "2024-12-23T19:51:08Z")
The exception was terrorists and mass murderers I believe. The other 37 he moved from death to life w/o parole. I’m OK with both actions. ---
**Author:** ![The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_president/32/70075_2.png) [@The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_President)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/59 "2024-12-23T19:54:09Z")
I am generally opposed to the death penalty as a waste of time and resources as well as inconsistency in how is applied. That’s different than purely religious or moral objections. ---
**Author:** ![SpaceLobster](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/spacelobster/32/38216_2.png) [@SpaceLobster](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SpaceLobster)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/60 "2024-12-31T00:02:41Z")
Related, we have medically assisted suicide in canada. My niece, a nurse, is assisting a doctor with someone this week. I mentioned that must be hard, but shes doing it because she believes in it. [Previous page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856.md?page=4)