# Death Penalty poll and discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856 "2024-01-30T18:53:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/vorian_atreides/32/65623_2.png) [@Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Vorian_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/21 "2024-01-31T18:52:33Z")
> [@Lucy](#): > > Aren’t those corporal punishment? You’re right; I probably should’ve said, “many will confuse the two.” And while the judge might outline items that are “in play” for the trial, the time between such an instruction and when the prosecution asks the “are you comfortable with \_\_\_\_” question might be far enough apart that the “death penalty” may not make it to the forefront of the potential juror’s mind. ---
**Author:** ![Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/vorian_atreides/32/65623_2.png) [@Vorian\_Atreides](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Vorian_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/22 "2024-01-31T18:53:37Z")
And “corporal punishment” brings up an interesting question . . . for those who are opposed to the death penalty (no matter the situation) . . . what are your thoughts around corporal punishment for heinous crimes? ---
**Author:** ![Ajstudies](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/ajstudies/32/12532_2.png) [@Ajstudies](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Ajstudies)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/23 "2024-01-31T18:55:59Z")
> [@Vorian\_Atreides](#): > > those who are opposed to the death penalty (no matter the situation) . . . what are your thoughts around corporal punishment for heinous crimes? I kinda think that’s worse in a way. ---
**Author:** ![SpaceLobster](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/spacelobster/32/38216_2.png) [@SpaceLobster](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SpaceLobster)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/24 "2024-01-31T19:10:08Z")
I’m a big fan of not being responsible for others actions, but being responsible for my reaction to their actions. I don’t get to any place where I’m ok having someone killed because of what they’ve done, because it involves me saying killing people is ok. It’s not ok imo. I am ok with rights being taken away. So I have far less of a problem with prisoners being used for labour. Which I know is something almost of people have a problem with as well. ---
**Author:** ![R\_Daneel\_Olivaw](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/r_daneel_olivaw/32/420_2.png) [@R\_Daneel\_Olivaw](https://community.goactuary.com/u/R_Daneel_Olivaw)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 8:24pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/25 "2024-01-31T20:24:31Z")
Never had a problem with prisoners being used as labor, so long as the working conditions are safe. I always thought of it as the rest of us have to earn a living, Why should committing a crime get them out of that? That’s also why I don’t mind the prisoners not earning much cash for it. They are already getting housing, food, and medical care. None of that is free. ---
**Author:** ![NerdAlert](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/nerdalert/32/683_2.png) [@NerdAlert](https://community.goactuary.com/u/NerdAlert)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/26 "2024-01-31T20:59:04Z")
Prisons have to stay for profit! ---
**Author:** ![SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/srednivashtar/32/2894_2.png) [@SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SredniVashtar)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/27 "2024-01-31T21:34:57Z")
Sounds good in theory. As long as it doesn’t turn into longer sentences and/or torture to max productivity. ---
**Author:** ![3rookie](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/3/e0b2c6/32.png) [@3rookie](https://community.goactuary.com/u/3rookie)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 9:53pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/28 "2024-01-31T21:53:42Z")
Every option has consequences. Prisoners can still murder. Unless you isolate them completely. Then that becomes cruel. Death is sometimes the best answer. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/29 "2024-02-02T16:11:45Z")
My guess is that when you factor in the cost of the guards & stuff that prisons are still a net cost to society. Possibly some individuals have some perverse incentives though. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 4:35pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/30 "2024-02-02T16:35:34Z")
The people who pay for prison and the people who benefit from prison labor aren’t the same, though, so there are perverse incentives. ---
**Author:** ![magillaG](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@magillaG](https://community.goactuary.com/u/magillaG)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/31 "2024-02-03T21:05:02Z")
Slate has an interview with the spiritual advisor (who was in the execution chamber) to the man who was executed via nitrogen. > **[“It Was the Most Violent Thing I’ve Ever Seen”: Inside the Chamber for...](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/02/alabama-death-penalty-nitrogen-hypoxia-inside-kenny-smith-execution.html)** > > Kenny Smith’s death was “22 minutes of hell.” The spiritual advisor talked about watching the man die: > **Summary** > > Yeah, it was just absolutely horrific. I knew that it was going to be much more visceral than lethal injection. A lethal injection looks relatively peaceful because of the paralytic. There’s all sorts of interpretations about what actually happens after the paralytic. > > With this, it looks like someone, like you said, has a bag over their head, and they’re suffocating to death. But an even better comparison is it looks like someone puts their hands around your neck and chokes you out with their bare hands, because that’s what the resistance looks like. I’ve said that it looked like a fish out of water, just on a dock, suffocating to death. But now I’m beginning to think it’s even more violent than that. It feels like it’s someone putting their hands around someone’s neck and choking them out. That’s how he moved, as if someone was physically killing him with their bare hands. > > **State officials had said ahead of time the nitrogen gas would make Kenny Smith** [**unconscious**](https://apnews.com/article/nitrogen-execution-death-penalty-alabama-699896815486f019f804a8afb7032900) **within seconds.** > > Yes, they lied. There’s no other way to describe it. They lied. It was 22 minutes of hell. And it was the most violent thing I’ve ever seen. I was a trauma chaplain at a hospital for a year or so back in Fort Worth—motorcycle crashes, gunshot victims. And this was definitely the most violent thing I’ve ever seen. I cannot tell whether the struggle of the executed man was limited to him holding his breath, which I cannot think lasted more than several minutes, or continued after, perhaps indicating oxygen was leaking into the mask. I could certainly imagine the initial struggle seeming to an eye witness to take much longer than it actually did because of the emotional impact. ---
**Author:** ![colonelsmoothie](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/colonelsmoothie/32/136_2.png) [@colonelsmoothie](https://community.goactuary.com/u/colonelsmoothie)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/32 "2024-03-10T20:11:05Z")
> **[Three top nitrogen gas manufacturers in US bar products from use in executions](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/10/nitrogan-gas-manufacturers-bar-executions-alabama)** > > Move follows Alabama’s recent killing of death row inmate Kenneth Smith using previously untested method I guess aside from the moral aspect of the death penalty, there’s also the practical aspect of getting people to participate. I suppose maybe certain methods shouldn’t be used if you can’t get anyone to use them. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/33 "2024-03-18T15:31:32Z")
I think this highlights that whatever method of execution is chosen (drug overdose, hanging, asphyxiation, etc.) the folks who make the product in question primarily for non-execution purposes are not going to want their product to be associated with executions. So the method probably needs to have its own supplier who is specifcally OK with their product being used for executions. This will likely drive up the price a bit. I don’t see a practical way around that. There will always be enough people opposed to the death penalty that mainstream suppliers won’t want to be associated with that and will include that stipulation. ---
**Author:** ![SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/srednivashtar/32/2894_2.png) [@SredniVashtar](https://community.goactuary.com/u/SredniVashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 7:00pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/34 "2024-04-01T19:00:54Z")
But play your cards right and your product could become the next Cross! ---
**Author:** ![magillaG](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@magillaG](https://community.goactuary.com/u/magillaG)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/35 "2024-04-02T03:30:10Z")
i think that’s an example of a product finding success in a new, larger, unintended market. ---
**Author:** ![Dork](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/dork/32/44033_2.png) [@Dork](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Dork)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/36 "2024-04-02T15:23:22Z")
I don’t think letting prisoners choose between life sentence or death is death penalty. That sounds more like assted suicide/suicide, which I’m 100% on board with. And that option shouldn’t be afforded to just prisoners, but every citizen. But yeah, in principle, no one should be able to decide whether another person lives or dies. ---
**Author:** ![soyleche](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/soyleche/32/42_2.png) [@soyleche](https://community.goactuary.com/u/soyleche)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/37 "2024-04-04T12:38:08Z")
> [@twig93](#): > > I think this highlights that whatever method of execution is chosen (drug overdose, hanging, asphyxiation, etc.) the folks who make the product in question primarily for non-execution purposes are not going to want their product to be associated with executions. So the method probably needs to have its own supplier who is specifcally OK with their product being used for executions. This will likely drive up the price a bit. I don’t see a practical way around that. There will always be enough people opposed to the death penalty that mainstream suppliers won’t want to be associated with that and will include that stipulation. _That’s what’s so great about the guillotine. Not a lot of “non-execution purposes” to get in the way._ ---
**Author:** ![now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/now_samantha/32/24815_2.png) [@now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/u/now_samantha)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/38 "2024-09-23T23:30:10Z")
Marcellus Williams is going to be executed in MO tomorrow, despite the prosecutors wanting a stay. > The prosecutor’s office has raised other concerns about Williams’ conviction, including claims he was convicted on the testimony of two unreliable informants facing their own legal troubles and further incentivized by $10,000 in reward money. > Former GOP Gov. Eric Greitens [previously halted Williams’ execution](https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/22/us/execution-missouri-marcellus-williams/index.html) indefinitely and formed a board to investigate his case and decide whether he should be granted clemency. > > But after Parson took office, he dissolved the board investigating Williams’ case and [revoked Williams’ stay of execution](https://governor.mo.gov/press-releases/archive/governor-parson-dissolves-board-inquiry-marcellus-williams) in 2023. > **[Missouri Supreme Court declines to halt Tuesday’s execution of a death row...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/23/us/marcellus-williams-missouri-supreme-court-hearing/index.html)** > > The Missouri Supreme Court and Gov. Mike Parson have declined to halt Tuesday’s execution of a death row inmate prosecutors say may be innocent, leaving his fate in the hands of the US Supreme Court with less than 24 hours to go before he is... ---
**Author:** ![DeepPurple](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/deeppurple/32/1551_2.png) [@DeepPurple](https://community.goactuary.com/u/DeepPurple)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/39 "2024-09-23T23:38:54Z")
> [@Lucy](#): > > Most Canadians have lived their whole lives without a de facto death penalty If Canadia had been forced to keep Justin Beiber, the Canadian population would be much more open to revisiting the need for capital punishment, I believe [or I belie(b)e.] ---
**Author:** ![now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/now_samantha/32/24815_2.png) [@now\_samantha](https://community.goactuary.com/u/now_samantha)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856/40 "2024-09-23T23:49:28Z")
Given the recent Diddy news that makes it strongly seem that Bieber was assaulted as a minor, I’m ok with skipping the Bieber jokes for a bit. [Previous page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/death-penalty-poll-and-discussion/8856.md?page=3)