Christianity and US Politics

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For roughly 50 years, SCOTUS said the Constitution gave the woman a right to privacy that included a degree of control over her own body. I don’t believe they assert any Constitutional amendment after the Roe v. Wade decision took that right away.

The states can’t take away rights given by the Constitution.

SCOTUS has historically had to reverse several unsound decisions, e.g., Brown v BOE.

I think SCOTUS got Dobbs v Jackson right. In Roe v Wade, SCOTUS created a right without a solid constitutional foundation. Sadly, that was legal precedent for 50 years.

Sadly, the right to privacy isn’t considered one of the non-enumerated rights protected by the oft-ignored Ninth Amendment. :frowning:

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It’s not like that clearly articulated right to bear fully automatic rifles.

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Brown v BOE was due to the country undergoing a permanent shift in race relations.

Dobbs was more of a lucky touchdown pass by a slim majority. It’s open to another reversal the second the court shifts 5 v 4 the other way.

Go live somewhere else? China has no religion. It must be nice there.

It would be a lot smarter to move to low population states, to control the vote.

But realistically, it would be better if American Democracy worked better. I don’t know why you seem to be resistant to that notion. Democracy is good.

One of the reasons it’s good is that it offers everyone a seat at the table, as you said just a minute ago.

This is shockingly close to saying “America, Love it or Leave It” and I would have expected better from you.

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It’s great. You’re the one griping about its outcomes.

The failings with our democracy are all simple math problems.

I’m mostly surprised you don’t aren’t interested in them as an actuary.

If someone sent you a report that used segments and other categories to bias a report of financials or screwed up reserving or forecasting, I think? you would see the issue and try to fix it.

You’re welcome to practice what ever religion you want, it’s when you want to impose your religious beliefs and morality on the great population that’s problematic.

But demographics on those who practice religion in America have been changing quite a bit in the past 30 years. I would not be surprised to see some major changes in about 30 years.

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I’ve wondered about these trends.

There was a huge surge in religious affiliation after WW2. This is when many of these political issues, such as school prayer, also arose, at least as federal issues.

I wonder if we will simply go back to something more line the earlier status quo.

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Do you have a history on this? I think the current trend is quite dramatic. I think it’ll slow eventually, but given the generational differences, I don’t think it will be any time soon.

From the book “one nation under god”, by kruse:

“Inundated with urgent calls to embrace faith, Americans did just that. The percentage of Americans who claimed membership in a church had been fairly low across the nineteenth century, though it had slowly increased from just 16 percent in 1850 to 36 percent in 1900. In the early decades of the twentieth century the percentages plateaued, remaining at 43 percent in both 1910 and 1920, then moving up slightly to 47 percent in 1930 and 49 percent in 1940. In the decade and a half after the Second World War, however, the percentage of Americans who belonged to a church or synagogue suddenly soared, reaching 57 percent in 1950 and then peaking at 69 percent at the end of the decade, an all-time high.”

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That’s amazingly low. Interestingly, Australia has a rate currently of 15% (attending church at least once a month).

i found it shocking too, when i read it.

it shows how deeply this myth of america as a “christian nation” has taken bold.

and i say that as somebody who thinks america is a product of the enlightenment, which is itself a child of christianity.

Was this caused more by the Red Scare than a life-changing decision on religion?

Like, “if you are not a member of a church, you must be a Communist” type of accusal?

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i don’t remember. i don’t think so. i imagine it might be that after the horrors of the civil war, ww1, and ww2, maybe that was part of it? i have definitely read our popular modern idea of heaven comes after the civil war, trying to process all those deaths.

some of all of it was also in response to the new deal. big business wanted to reverse it, but had little luck until they started recruiting like minded ministers. this was the beginning of the political alliance between big business and conservative christianity.

i think some of the symbolism, for example putting “under god” in the pledge, was in part justified as fighting the domestic influence of communism.

Yep, that’s surprising to me, too. I live in a Midwestern city and see the parade of old church buildings in the old part of town and just assume everyone must have belonged to a church (how else would they pay for those buildings?).

I wonder if a lot of people considered themselves Christians but didn’t attend church.

So, I learned something by hanging out here today.

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That appears out of touch with this gallup poll?

Do you happen to have the source of the source?

(See the last graph)

I was definitely under the impression that almost everyone in America considered themselves a Christian, even if they didn’t belong to or go to a church. Will look for more data.