What’s the motivation here for more documents to be released? From reading the link, it seems that families and friends of 9/11 victims are pushing Biden for this review, and he seems to be cooperating.
Is it Ricksonian? Some type of analysis of why/how the WTC buildings “really” collapsed? Was there actually a plane that hit the Pentagon? Was it an inside job? Who knew what/when beforehand? What additional information do these folks seek?
If it was your mom, dad, brother, sister, son, or daughter in one of the buildings, you’d probably want probably want every detail you could get. Like, what was the involvement of the Saudi government and is anyone in the US government covering that up?
“Fortunately, I always keep my questions numbered, in case of such an emergency.”
There are documents not released, so people want them released. The issue with this is that sometimes we have secret agents/spies who receive intel and they might be the ONLY source of that intel, to the point that the spy could be outed. So, that can be problematic.
More so than not.
I think the how" is pretty clear: they were designed to fall in that manner instead of, say, sideways, which would have been a lot more disastrous.
I think I’d have to rea a lot of wild ideas about the people who would benefit from the “inside job” of this. And how they’ve the proof so secret.
My concern is more that not enough people knew beforehand. There are some security memos, but nothing that pointed to this particular plot.
Who fucked up. For lawyers to sue, or for History to know forever.
All my own opinions, not facts as they appear to be presented.
I’ve got on the TiVo queue the NatGeo documentary series that they made some years ago (I think) and rereleased this week. Maybe they added to them. I haven’t watched but I know it will be tough to get through.
Not sure if this is the best thread - and maybe not an appropriate post anyway, but…
Yesterday I spent most of the day in an activity with religious overtones. Ok - I guess there were nothing but religious tones - I was recording some songs with the choir I’m a part of.
The conductor mentioned at one point how what we were doing was a good tribute to the victims of 9/11 - which, okay, that’s fine as far at it goes. But he went on to describe the victims as people who “died for our country”.
I’m having a hard time with that categorization. Maybe those that died in the Pentagon, and perhaps those on flight 93. Those in the towers, though - I’m not seeing it. To me, “died for our country” implies a conscious decision to put oneself in danger for the benefit of the country. Those victims just went to work that morning.
Trying to turn their deaths into an act of patriotism just seems to cheapen it for me somehow. I’m not sure exactly why.
Well, i feel the default should be openness, and unless there’s a compelling reason to keep them classified, they should be declassified.
But i think you may have hit the actual, political reason here. In fact, i suspect Afghanistan and the Taliban had nearly nothing to do with 9/11. The key actors were all Saudis. But Saudi Arabia is our ally, and Bush wanted to punish someone, and it couldn’t be them. So he invaded Afghanistan, because bin Laden hid there for a while. (We didn’t overrun Pakistan, even though he took up residence there.)
I’m biased. I never believed Afghanistan was more than tangentially involved in 9/11. When Bush started rattling sabers i wrote to my senators and Congressional rep and to Bush urging them not to attack. I never thought we belonged there. I had hoped that maybe we were at least doing some good while we were there, but the immediate collapse of the corrupt government we established suggests that was a vain hope.
Publishing the evidence that 9/11 was planned and executed out of Saudi Arabia may soften the pain of giving up on our occupation of Afghanistan.
same here. suburban office park w 4 or 5 buildings and a combined 50-60 stories. 4 miles from the mall of america (which is RIGHT NEXT TO the airport). as we watched NYC crash into hell on tv a colleague said he was worried about our location noting “a lot of people work in these buildings!” i walked away and wondered where this american jewel of an office park rated in a terror plotter’s rank listing. we weren’t even the top target in our suburb.
I’m not aware of any attacks yesterday on the 20th anniversary. It would seem like there were some large gatherings on people which tend to make attractive targets for terrorists.
I’d like to think it’s because terrorists know not to mess with the USA anymore, but it’s much more likely that any and all attempts are effectively shut down before they happen due to the surveillance efforts of the FBI, CIA, NSA, and a host other government agencies.