At what point do you leave a failing country?

Not for me at this stage of life but something I would have considered 20 years ago.

You’re starting to sound more and more like what used to be called a “Blue Dog” Democrat. The ones that had some restraint on Tax and Spend policies.

Just calling out a BS overstatement hidden in here.

A citizenship offer but none of those countries appeal to me. Better than Florida or Arizona though. If I wanted a warm weather place I would choose a more interesting place like Costa Rica.

This Autumn budget will be the end of the line for the UK.

If they keep doubling down on taxing the productive to give more handouts to the pensioners, then the brain drain will accelerate and so will the decline in productivity. You also won’t be able to fix the damage for many years due to the deteriorating demographics.

What a disappointment Labour has been so far with their large majority.

Sadly, this cheery ditty seems to have banned in Britain.

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Was that written by Innes and Idle by chance?

I’m assuming that the US will see a big brain drain as Trump continues his war on science.

Can you think of a destination for these smart people?

English speakers:

US (some UK people don’t care they want lower taxes)
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Singapore
Bermuda
Dubai
UAE

Multi-lingual people also:

EU (Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Germany)

The brain drain is very much accelerating now with Trump and his fascist policies (main winner here will be Canada), with the UK being mostly about suffocating levels of tax and poor public infrastructure (main winners here are Canada, Australia, and EU).

In the UK and US, it is mostly the professional upper middle class that is leaving. UK is taxes, while the US is the fascist new environment.

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Meh.

The US would benefit by losing a large number of a fill-in-racial/social-blank studies and a fair number of liberal arts professors. As long as we keep the hard sciences and historians that don’t subscribe to intersectional anti-colonialist bunk moving along we’ll be fine.

I doubt that Innes was involved, since he passed away in 2019.

I assumed that someone at Coinbase or their advertising agency was just a very skilled Monty Python fan…but maybe they brought Idle out of retirement?

That’s a useful list.

For “brains” leaving the US, I’m thinking about people who had jobs at well-funded research institutions. They may or may not have been born in the US, but they are here because they can get interesting research jobs.

I look at the list and wonder how many well-funded research positions exist (or could be rapidly added) in each of those countries.

Of course, there can be other people who are using their brains in businesses. They may be interested in leaving the US because they don’t like Trump’s drive to authoritarianism, or they want to live somewhere where the gov’t thinks that mRNA technology is an efficient way to develop new vaccines. They are simply looking for a place with a developed economy that can use brains in private businesses.

Kinda difficult with the war on facts that is going on right now. mRNA opportunities quashed.

New Zealand is suffering a brain drain to Australia as salaries are higher there. Maybe NZ salaries will seem high vs. UK?

General quality of life is seen as higher in NZ vs UK

This is for higher skilled jobs (like Dr or Nurse) as they work less hours (less stress) at higher pay.

The main problem in the UK for higher-skilled folks in the medical field is that the NHS operates like a monopsony. Your wage growth is effectively being suppressed by other parts of the UK Budget (like pensions and welfare) that are absorbing more and more revenue over time.

This is not sustainable over time as you end up with people getting fed up and leaving abroad (Canada, US, NZ, Aus etc).

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Looks like the UK could be headed to elect our own version of Trump.

I have just about given up on the stupidity of the electorate here in the UK (wanting to vote for the very person that made them so much poorer).

The US does not have a monopoly on poor voting choices.

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You already had brexit and boris Johnson… you may not be leading the US but you have never been very far behind.

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A lot of people who were previously doing ok are struggling now that interest rates have gone and inflation has risen. They want to strike out at someone as a response.