At what point do you leave a failing country?

I have been doing something like that.

I get 18 weeks unpaid parental leave until the little one is 18 and have decided to start using them this year

From a corporate standpoint, this type of unpaid leave is statutory so cannot be refused.

Buying leave over here is usually limited to 3-5 days, with some companies offering a bit more (I have seen 10).

You can also take normal unpaid leave, but then they can refuse when you ask for it if there are business reasons for it.

Note:

Thanks for clarifying something that has been on the back of my mind about Australians for a while. They often take weeks of leave to visit countries and I was always a bit puzzled by this.

I agree that a progressive plan with cliffs that actually result in negative net marginal income is ridiculous. What would you propose as a remedy? A more slowly increasing marginal rate? Other than income tax changes?

The fix is actually straight-forward.

Get rid of the distortion that makes those marginal tax rates ratchet up at £100k (removal of the tax free allowance of £12.57k)

You can then move the marginal tax rate for the highest band (45% at £125k) down a bit to £100k to make it revenue neutral.

Its a very simple fix. But in the UK any tax change that favours the “rich” (thats all the working folks making £100k+) is basically met with absolute venom from the population and the politicians balk.

The whole thing is absurd. Its like the country is inside some weird mass delusion where you can tax “the rich” into oblivion and they will just sit there taking it because “reasons”.

Of course, that is not reality. They are materially changing their behavior at the margins now and its having some pretty negative economic effects.

So your highest marginal rate would stay at 45%. Are there rate differences on sources like capital gains vs ordinary here in the US?

Yes.

Capital gains is taxed less than ordinary income because they do not have indexation (inflation).

But they are planning on increasing those taxes as well (without indexation)

End result is a rate close to ordinary income marginal tax rates but with no indexation.

The fertility rate for the UK has now collapsed further (by almost 10%).

It now stands at 1.44 in 2023.

I wonder if there’s some correlation with beer consumption -

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We mentor graduates from time to time.

I have counselled them all to leave the country if they can because there is no way for them to build any kind of wealth when they are facing marginal rates of over 50% to pay for the old and unproductive.

The longer they wait, the worse off they will be due to demographics and labour policies regarding the public sector with their unfunded pension promises.

We should really start another thread about public pensions on GoA (similar to the AO) because those risks we talked about are now biting in the UK and making the entire country much poorer in the aggregate sense (the young specially).

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Meh, Canada is worse at 1.26 in 2023. BC is 1.0.

Canada is among the lowest of the low.

Canada records its lowest fertility rate for 2nd year: StatsCan

Fertility rates matter only in the sense of how you fund retired benefits.

The dependency ratio in the UK is terrible right now and we have a paygo system for public pensions.

Canada doesnt have this problem so lower fertility rates are less of a problem.

The UK can only dream of having Canada’s retirement problems.

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Canada doesn’t have a PAYGO public pension like the U.S. & U.K.?

What do they have? I’m more familiar with their healthcare system than their retirement scheme.

The Canadian Pension Plan (CPP) is funded. It is not a paygo structure.

Perhaps. But money is not products. Having a bunch of digits in an account won’t do any good if the actual material output is too low to support a deeply aged population.

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OK, but HOW do they fund it? I assumed from your prior post that it was considered “funded”. What was the process for making it so?

Japan also started having a problem of savers exceeding borrowers that had it’s own set of problems.

The Canadian pensions system was a mess until the 90s (when the country was almost broke). They managed to take real concrete positive steps to fix their pension system by funding it properly.

They increased the contributions from the population and invested a portion of them every year in real physical assets.

They now have an actual investment portfolio of about 650bn CAN$

The CPP is like the OASDI in the US in that it is an earnings-related pension plan. Unlike the OASDI, it enjoys a steady state funded status and the investments are managed by professional investment managers. There are two other large Canadian components, the Old Age Security and GIS, which are income-tested and are paygo.

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The UK can only dream of being spat at in the face

RN :laughing:

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You were LUCKY.

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